pussforge strikes again and her name is the listkeeper

That's why we need to keep minors out of the RR!
It should remain what it always was: A place where you can spit on the floor, and call the cat a bastard.
Not a place where we have to coddle youngsters.

To an extend, this stuff goes both ways. Some mods on the staff need some serious lesson on tact. Some posters need to pick their battles a hell of a lot better--getting mad that someone got banned for laughing at someone's death when he's been warned 48 times before for the same goddamn shit and calling moderator unfairness is the kind of shit that would make a moderator go and not take anything seriously anymore.

Why do ya think the Enterprise forum at Trek BSS is just a goddamn joke? People wanked for YEARS about different opinion = trolling, and when they finally did get a troll (one who went so far, in so many words, that if a baby's parent suck it deserves to die), no one listened. It'd all been said before, so why would that be any different? Everyone got lumped as a bitchy harpy. The troll is still there and the forum lost quite a few good posters as a result.

Point is, some things aren't worth getting worked up over. I won't say whether that's the case or not (My biggest problems here is the double-standards and slandering of Volpone and TKO's characters), but despite certain notable twats on this staff, the mods at WF put up with a lot more that other places--a lot more than they *should* really. that does deserve a bit of respect.

at the same time, that doesn't give the moderation an excuse to be condescending. The posters don't have to put up with you, either. You all left a big board once before, and I've no doubt that if the day comes where things are too broken and unfixable, there'll be little hesitation to do it again.

JMO.

So, if someone decides to ask me about pocket rockets and dildos and whether or not I flick the grape to Scott Bakula and I take offense, I don't get to say shit about it because I'm 21?

You can say whatever you want, but if you ban sexual harassment in any form, suddenly the insult "cocksucker" or implying someone else is homosexual becomes a warnable offense...

Or maybe that's just my opinion of how certain people would exploit it...

My point was that saying some things are okay for one group of people but not another is getting dangerously close to TBBS territory. I'd rather the RR be 18+ age limit than see things that neutered. There are plenty of places online that can do the nanny state thing a lot better than we can.

The way those same people could (and probably will) interpret that as the "Us versus Them" mentality that us posters created?

There's some sort of joke here, but I'm too tired to figure it out.

I should leave the funny stuff to people like Persianmouse and Dickynoo, I suppose.

Flashlight has made it clear (in this very thread) that if the WR comes back, he intends to get Elwood in trouble with the law over it.

You can be very sure that that threat will be the end of the WR forever.

​

Flashlight is a cunt and a wanker,* and he's free to not visit it, if he hates it so much. Or is this his latest attempt to show his maturity and why he deserves to be the MC mod?

*Warning accepted.

Um, this has happened before, several times. I've seen a thread start up with "fuck" in the title, and an hour later it's just asterisks. Same with racial slurs. It's nothing new.

It is truly a red letter day when I agree with Async.

A while back, I said something or other to Cass. It was, quite frankly, crass, and not terribly gentlemanly. An administrator messaged me privately and said, basically, "Look, you're sounding like a creep. I'm not going to do anything, just knock it off."

And, y'know, I stopped. Not because I had to. But because it was what I should do. And I think that this board seriously has a problem with that. Too many people are obsessed with what they can do instead of what they should do. And I'm sorry the thought of that offends so many.

I'm not sure you do agree with me. If I had started a thread, in all innocence with no intent to abuse or offend anyone (which is what Volpone did; he was not out to deliberately make TKO feel bad), and it turned out that my "joke" was not at all appreciated, I would be very glad to have a mod make the change for me, if I wasn't around to see it right then. Listkeeper didn't warn him, didn't delete the thread, or anything else. He just took care of the problem before Volpone could.

If you and others in this thread really agreed with my position, that being offensive to girls who are just being nice is never acceptable, then you would be thanking him for what he did, instead of calling for his head. And that goes double (or more) for Tex with his "fuck you, fuck TKO, and fuck this board" remark. That, coupled with his, "A power outage or a pack of cigarettes would take care of Tamar," remark have shown what kind of a person he is.

​

And the day of shocks continue as I agree with Async.

When I started reading all this, I assumed Tex was drunk and thought he'd probably realise he'd gone too far when he sobered up. Reading that he says he was sober has made my opinion of him plummet.

And if you had actually read my posts you would see that I didn't disagree with the thread renaming and even pointed out it happens all the time and there is nothing wrong with it. Even further, you would have seen a few remarks condemning those people harrassing TKO.

^ The "you" in my post was not the singular, aimed at you, Bailey, in particular, but the "you" plural, aimed at the "most of us" you used in your post. There are a half dozen guys making a big deal out of Listkeeper changing the thread title, and taking advantage of it to insult TKO and call her immature and a whole bunch of other things, and they are, if not a majority, at least a sizeable minority of the people involved in this debacle.

And though I'm not sure Listkeeper's decision was perfectly in keeping with the "We demand the right to harass anyone to any extent" mentality that some think is "the WordForge way," as I said, if I was the one who had made the thread title that got TKO upset, I would be thanking him for dealing with it and all over myself apologizing to her.

So I'm not sure as many people around here really agree with my stand on the situation as you think.

​

I think the reaction, or overreaction (however you want to see it) of this incident really highlights what this place stands for, and the reason behind it's founding.

We are a group of misfits from TrekBBS where we saw something that we really loved (TNZ) get overrun but whiners and oversensitive wimps. That now, the thought of ANYONE trying to change this place into something even remotely neutered is met with outrage and wrath.

And I'm saying that, whatever the rules are, when you think your right to say anything at all, no matter how offensive, trumps the rights of other people to just want to enjoy good discussion, then you are in TK territory, and that that is not what WF is all about.

But I think that quite a few posters, in their indignation and unwillingness to admit that offensiveness is not a virtue and that "thick skin" is not all it takes to make relationships work, are forgetting that.

I suppose the bottom line is this: Is WF a place only for the offensive, or is it also for those who don't want the excessive moderation of some BBSs but still want to keep the worst offenses to a minimum? IOW, does it have to be all or nothing?

Just because WF is a place where you can "spit on the floor and call the cat a bastard," does it have to be a place where you spit on each other and call everyone a bastard?

It is still ingrained in my thinking: When you make nice little girls cry, you are wrong. If you don't have the guts to admit it, you are even more in the wrong.

Call me old-fashioned, but I have no intention of changing on that point. Ever.

​

Just posting to give the numbnuts I negged a chance to return the favor.

First of all Async, I have always liked you. However, considering the role you played over at TBBS during the fracas that caused us to start WF in the first place, I don't believe you can rightly speak to what is or isn't the WF way. Heck, this very post of yours could have been made in MA defending the changes to TNZ four years ago.

My participation in this is soley about wether or not we should coddle posters from things that upset them, rather then tell them; if you can't handle it, don't come in.
Where do we draw the line with that? What will constitute justifyable offence? Are we now going to have to define what constitutes an accptable post?

I would rather keep the spirit of the place intact, and restrict the RR to 18+, keeping the kiddies out untill they can handle it, or at least be legal.

As for the sex talk with underage girls, my position is; don't do it. I don't. The thought gives me the creeps, and just thinking of sad middle aged nerds on a BBS engaging in it, well, ewww.

Besides, if I wanna get into naughty talk and flirt, I'd rather do it with an adult (like Tamar ), someone I can relate to, not someone still in highschool.

Holy shit.

It was after 11 PM when I went to bed last night and this thread was one page long. Now it's thirteen pages! Over an edited title!!

Aye carumba.

That's what you get for going to sleep.

Yup, the sort of comments often sent towards posters like TKO are totally inappropriate and this isn't a defence of them, but rather saying that it is much better for the posters of the board to fix a problem through neg-repping and telling the poster who is a problem, rather than just having mods come in and put band aids over all the problems.

After a night to sleep on it, I (unsurprisingly) still feel the same way I did last night.

So I won't rehash or reiterate what I've already said.

I will say, however, that I do think, and hope, that when Storm sees this he'll be a gentleman and ease off of TKO, as an example to everyone else. She puts up with this stuff to avoid causing just this kind of ruckus, but I'd like to think that MOST people here are mature and decent enough to respect her wishes.

That said, there are some here I'm sure never will, who are incapable, I think, of seeing the human side to all this and only care about what this means to them. That's fine. But it means that the only good thing that's come out of this debacle is that now I know who has absolutely nothing interesting to say, and I can put them on ignore.

I came here to enjoy myself, not to see people be vulgar and nasty to a nice young girl in the name of freedom.

Some of you just completely missed the point. The F TKO thing would apply to anyone that gets offended by something in the RR and askes to have it changed. Fuck that, that defeats the whole purpose of the red room.

Nick move my thread back, killing a discussion is the worst kind of sin around here, and you are now among the worst of all violators. It's a message board, members were happy the way things were and you just up and decide to move things. Wow dude, just wow.

Okay, I admit it, those three months where I was gone wasn't b/c of Basic, it was me getting therapy to convince myself I wasn't a fat, gay hippy!