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I don't think many people treat Asyncritus like shit.

I'm not all that concerned about this place being turned into TBBS, either.

Some things obviously need to be clarified and/or straightened out, though, and I hope Elwood returns soon.

Damn, Bonzie, that post is made of win. I'm out of rep, though. You're completely right about Async, and how we need to let some things in the past go.

I've seen plenty of shit thrown at him for being a TBBS mod and for "supporting" Enterpriser and such. I don't know Asyc from his mod days, but I do know him from WF quite well, and he certainly has a right to voice his opinions about "The WF way."

IMHO.

I have never had much of a problem with Asyncritus. Of course, the fact that his religious views and mine match up about 99.8% doesn't hurt much.

I'm just venturing my own opinion of him. I never really tangled with him over on Big Blue, so I don't think of him as a TBBS mod first and human being second.

Now if Neroon ever showed up here...

No, POTN is right. Garamet gives him shit about enterpriser, I don't think many others give him shit about anything. Async is a valued member of the community. I speak as one of many who used to unremittingly give him shit, but that was all before your time.

Bonz: Thanks for the kind words. To be honest, as others have said, I'm not treated all that poorly here, or I wouldn't stay around. (You know me well enough to know that.)

As for TBBS, I have posted there a few times in the last few months, but I have so little time for internet BBSs that it just doesn't work to try to keep up with too many places. I don't even get over to Narniaweb all that often, and I love Narnia! And to be honest, it's the Red Room that interests me the most here, because I like the chance to talk about politics and religion. TBBS's equivalent, TNZ, is way too imbalanced on both for it to be worthwhile to me. At least WF is only imbalanced on one (there is a significantly higher percentage of anti-religious zealots here than in the population as a whole).

Nevertheless, what I like about WF is that it is between TBBS and TK. I don't like the "posting unpopular opinions that you know will upset some people is trolling" approach that, whether it is intentional or not, has become the TBBS way. But I don't like the "Anyone who doesn't like being treated like dirt isn't good enough for us" attitude that is the WF approach of too many. As Nick has pointed out, "lightly moderated" is not the same thing as no moderation.

The problem is that there are a handful of posters (no more, actually--which is why it is worthwhile to stick around here) who think the only way they can defend their outlook is to be as abusive as possible. The "psychologist" side of me would love to get a chance to find out what really motivates the people hiding behind those keyboards. As someone we all know and love would put it, "It would be fascinating." But for the most part I just ignore them.

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This part is easy to explain - I think a lot of people on WF believe you get farther with a gun and a kind word than just a kind word.

Oh lordy, where to begin.

1.I never had anything but high regard for Assyncritus, and I hardly ever had a harsh word for him. I found all of his post outside of MA to be insightfull and extremely well written, even if I disagreed with them. No, I saved most of my outrage for Lisa and Neroon. That's why I was permabanned without a single warning.

2.I'd like you to show me where I have treated him with ridicule or contempt.

3..Yes people can change. Assync, in regards to what he considers good BBS policy at least, has not. If I feel that his post of today could have been written years ago in MA, the language and ideas being so similar, why should that not factor in my evaluation of his opinion on this subject.
Yes TNZ was quite a while ago, but is there a time limit, or an experation date on the relevancy of someones past actions?

4. Yes, some here don't like being told what to do at all. But don't make assumptions about me. I am at odds only with actions I feel go against the spirit of the founding of this board.

5. Did I attack TKO? No. I've never even spoken to her. And I've had a problem with the harrasment, and the overall jailbait fixation that occurs here. Frankly, I find it pathetic. And I've also had a problem with those who have tried to turn WF into Plato's Retreat: Internet.

6.I just asked a question; should the RR be 18+ only? Not only to protect the young ones who like the attention, but not the result, but also to protect our board culture. A culture we all fought very hard to maintain.

7.As for contempt and ridicule, aren't you treating me with both of those, by using my post to launch your diatribe, but not even bothering to read all of it?

That's ok though, I still love ya!

^^ Quote of the Year!!

*Raises hand*

Sorry, he pulled his snooty routine on me once too often, so I blacked out, and the next thing I know, he's bloody and crying, and I'm apologizing, and giving him ice and a towel.

What?
That's healthy isn't it?

What Bonzie fails to understand is that WF has a self-correcting mechanism. When a poster gets too weird, too abusive, too whacked out, too offensive, they get hounded off the board. Ask Tasvir or Polarslam about that. Ted almost went the same way but has cleaned himself up and is now more or less accepted.

You'll notice, Bonzie, that you yourself, the reviled overlord of the corrupt TrekBBS, can post here and engage in actual dialogue, tho there might be a few posts that just flame you. Personally, I'd rather inhabit a board where people are free to act like assholes but are called on it by the other members than one where the staff has stifled all such expression.

As always, I see WF as the middle ground between Trek and TK.

I only pounded on you that one time.

Markb, my post wasn't directed at you specifically. It was general based on what I had read beforehand. I've seen swipes at Async before.

Async, I am well-aware of our TNZ problem. And I'm honest enough to say that I can't fix it. I wish I could. I've tried. What we have is what we have and enough are happy with it that that is how it will stay. I don't post there often myself due to the inability of either side to accept anything but their viewpoint, the boring mudslinging and the bias left. (I'm a moderate).

Would I as a poster would like is something between that and RR. I like most of the freedom of RR without the stupidities. Like with TNZ, a group who wish to attack and act like jackasses help to spoil the place.

You don't need a shrink for the 'net, Async. It's selfishness. And it's the perceived anonymity of the 'net, where people with no balls in real life are keyboard warriors. What I find troubling as a human being is that online you see more of what people would be like without societal constraints. Kind of scary, eh? What's funny is some of the biggest mouths are shy mice when you meet them in person.

Five gets you ten that the priivate staff chatroom is on FIRE right now.

Lanzman,

Bon understands WF quite well. Like with TrekBBS (but not TK), I do mourn at times because I see what it could be. Your Red Room, even with some of the twits who do the stuff that leads to 13 page threads, is still better than TNZ. Part of it is size, I know, but the plain fact is that RR is better than TNZ and why I post there more.

The board self-corrects to a point. What DOES happen is that the same shit happens over and over again, until Elwood comes in and says "fini". Then it settles down until the next incident. So it's not as much of a self-correct as a pause in behavior.

Yes, I can dialogue here. I dialogue anywhere. For all my faults (to which I readily admit), I will come here or anywhere hostile and answer honestly. I don't mind. Unlike many, I AM thick-skinned. I get called all sorts of shit. Rarely does it bother me.

However, just because I can take it, that doesn't mean that others can, nor does it mean that they should. I see no reason for openness to the point of meanness. Why do people want it online? Because they can't do it in real life.

I'd bet you any coin minted that you personally would have not said most of the nasty things that you've said to me in the past in real life. I'm honest enough to admit that during those times when I turn into uberbitch, it's not what I would say IRL although if I'm in a group of people, I WILL say some of the stuff I've said online. Ask those who have met me IRL. Ask Async. Yet people demand the right to do that online. Why? Are people so frustrated in real life that they must "vent", meaning attack others online? People are words on a screen, but there are real people behind those words. Why is it OK to be assholes online? Why is it desirable?

It's not hard to self-censor. I have to do it all the time on TrekBBS AND if you're talking about other NON-TREK areas, almost every other place online. Most online places are tight, even tighter than TrekBBS. Plenty don't allow swearing and that is tough on me.

People, especially Trek geeks, seem to think they're entitled to act like assholes. I just don't get this.

WF is not half-way between TrekBBS and WF. It's closer to TrekBBS than WF. Of course, comparing anyone to TK anymore is rather silly, as TK is nothing more than spam heaven.

Are you bringing up the double standard because it's the right thing to do, or because you just want to stab another hot poker into the administration of this board? It's hard to tell, since you're pretty much always against the administration, no matter the issue.

I love this point, but trust me, it'll go nowhere. It's one of the reasons I quit being a moderator here (the second time). It forces stagnation whenever an issue comes up because there's this constant fear of "being like the TrekBBS," which is just absurd.

But then, I was the eeeeeeeevil mod, so .

Last I checked, since we want this to be SO MUCH like the TNZ of old, that would be no age limit beyond that of COPPA, leave it up to the discretion of some very lax moderation. And as far as I can tell, both of those have happened here. A thread title got edited. That is all. There is no slippery slope here.

Summarize.

You would lose that bet. Should we meet IRL (which I think would be interesting, btw) you would find that I am not shy about voicing my opinions face to face. Ask Kass about that sometime. I said "nasty" things to you in the past because I watched you fuck up royally over at Trek. But with me, Bonz, it's never personal when it comes to stuff like this. It's all just pixels on a screen.

But did Anna or Flashlight complain directly to one of the mods about it?

It's the same thing when Jenna complained about Ted harassing her. The mods couldn't do anything about it unless she told them about it. And when Storm left TKO various comments that were sexual in nature, she didn't seem to have a problem with them and thus didn't complain.

But TKO was noticeably upset about the thread title, even if it wasn't intended to be sexual in nature.

So it's not at all a double standard.

Volpone started a thread with the title "The Deflowering of TKO". TKO got really upset over it, so she asked Volpone in the thread to rename it. He wasn't online, and he couldn't have changed the thread title anyway. She waited three hours, then asked Listkeeper to change it to "TKO discovers her inner bitch". He did so, and Tex, gul, Ash, Flashlight, and lots of others had a problem with that because they perceived it as a double standard.

Volpone himself said he would have changed the thread title if he could have, so it's really much ado about nothing.

A tactic that you've resorted to when you get frustrated.

You shouldn't get to pick the name of the thread started to troll/criticize you for your behavior in the red room. That takes the bite out of the flame.

The problem, I think, was that it was perceived as sexual harassment against a minor (when that wasn't the intention at all). Whether or not it was actually illegal, the board owner could still be sued over it, or at least appear on "To Catch A Predator".

Then he'd get to be on TV!

He's actorcrantz, or whatever.

Can someone please summarize this trainwreck?

No. Do your homework.

Um


It's all your fault




Disappear for a few hours and what else can you expect?

edit: to storm.