Reactionary Radical Eliminationists vs. Trans

There's a whole string of stories mostly but not entirely out of Florida which amount to flaccid compliance to obvious fascism, many time preemptively before a law is even in effect or beyond what the law addresses.

Example 1: UMMC in Jackson MS had already stopped treating trans youth last November in anticipation of a law that wouldn't reach the governor's desk for another four months. No support system for the patients to continue treatment elsewhere, no effort to help them bridge (by, say, writing a prescription for a year instead of 3 months)

Just, all at once, We're done. NOW the same LGBT care center, known as TEAM will cease to exist at the end of the month and the 67 ADULT trans people they have been treating are in limbo. The law in MS says nothing, yet, about adult trans care.

Example 2: During Montana's debate on their anti-drag bill, one of the speakers pointed out that the law was so broad and vague that it could be used against HER (a trans woman, not a drag performer) but they passed it anyway. Fast forward to this week, and a library in Butte canceled it's regular First Friday talk because the featured guest - that same woman - might cause them to have legal problems under the anti-drag law (and also because they were being harassed by Nazis)

Speaking just from the perspective of online gaming communities, Pride's off to a rocky start this month. I'm seeing it all over, but there's one community I'm in where every year the developers hold a Pride event. Last year there were some assholes, there always are, but they were a very small minority of vocal trolls. This year, though, there are hundreds of them, pushing back against the Pride event, demanding it be canceled if there isn't a "straight pride month" for balance. They word their protests just like they did when it was "ethics in gaming journalism," except this time it's "no politics in our games," despite the game being set in a dystopian future rife with political meaning.

A lot of the complaints, though, are coming from so-called "moderates," people who, last year, told the trolls to just ignore it if they didn't like it, this year are more than willing to "drop the T from the LGB because those people are pushing things too far."

It's a very uncomfortable thing to see, because it's the kind of sentiment that could and would absolutely gain traction elsewhere. It is being framed as "live how you want to live, just don't bother our kids." It's insidious how almost innocuous it sounds to people who don't understand what's underneath the sentiment, and what historical events it pulls from.

You might try NOT bothering kids. See how that goes for you.

Between the two of us, you're more of a danger to children than I am.

https://vtdigger.org/2023/06/02/orange-southwest-reaches-settlement-in-allen-lawsuit/

First I've seen of a court ruling on the outcome of the sharing of bathrooms in school:

Ruled pretty heavily in favor of the people who were uncomfortable with the situation

Lesbians have shared locker rooms for decades, and there was no moral panic about that shit.
I suppose there probably was, from a noisy fringe, but those people were laughed at before they grew into "a movement", which is what's supposed to happen.

You might try drinking bleach. With a battery acid chaser.

This, and I'm sure there were white girls back in the 1960s who were uncomfortable about black girls sharing locker rooms. Bigotry and ignorance are no reason to exclude people.

Edit to add:

I mean, hell, I'm pansexual, so I'm attracted to men, women, non-binary folks, trans folks, breathing people, and Patrick Stewart. If I were in the Men's locker room, I guarantee I'd find some of those guys attractive, but I'm not going to do anything. Why? I'm not an unthinking beast who only acts on their impulses.

Cis folks (certainly not all), especially cis men don't seem to understand that when a trans MtF or FtM wants to be a part of the group to which they identify, it's not an attempt to sexually assault the members of that group, because cisgender people don't want to be any other gender than what they already know. They see it as a sexual move because they can only think of their attractions in terms of sex. That's a failing on their part, not ours.

That's because you keep confusing sexuality or sexual orientation with gender. This is what happens when you blur the line.

The line written by cisgender, heterosexual white men who believed that women were subservient. What civilizations know as "the default" is constantly in flux, and you can say "but the science says" and I don't care, because you don't know what the science says. You only know what bigots tell you the science says.

Nah, that's you.
If the core fear is "leering in the locker room" if anyone was gonna leer, it'd be lesbians.
Hasn't been an issue.
There's nothing magical about trans girls that makes them scarier than lesbians.
Funny how the paranoia fantasies of bigots require a lot of fucking magic.

Lesbians don't have penises as well as the predatory instinct that men have that the *checks notes* left has been telling us about for years

The fear is having a man in the locker room with you and the fear of being raped because you don't have a choice because the school allows it. It's inappropriate because they are minors. Women want their spaces and should be allowed to have them without being in fear of some dude in there with them. Even with lesbians in there, it's still another woman and they are more comfortable someone of the same sex.
Now when they are adults and they want to participate in a sport at a school that allows mixed gender bathrooms, then that's their choice.
No magic is required. Your fantasy is rejected.

See what I mean? They can't visualize the situation as anything other than being sexually advantageous. They are the problem, but they project their insecurities and fantasies onto the rest of us.

Such enlightened feminism from the guy who posts transphobic memes about Michelle Obama.
Yes, we can tell how much you care with your big fluffy cartoon heart thumping on your little Carebear belly.

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A girl in my county was raped under the guise of allowing a a transgender girl in the girls bathroom and the district superintendent covered it up. It was a very big issue during the 2021 of year election cycle that was partially responsible for getting Glen Youngkin elected governor. It's a very real thing that happened. No magic required.

Yes, posting a silly meme means you don't care about women's rights.

By your standard, Ramen is banned for a "silly meme".

Oh look, you just didn't do your fucking homework as usual:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opinion/loudoun-county-trans.html

New York Slimes.

Let's be honest though - we just went through something called #metoo a few years ago where we were bombarded with claims from women about douchebag men sexually assaulting them, claims about how unsafe women felt walking alone, the biggest viral video was that woman who walked through NYC and was repeatedly harassed and catcalled, just countless stories of inappropriate behavior from men that even coined the phrase "Believe All Women". Men were deemed predatory and a clear and present problem (and a lot of us are)

Now fast forward 3 or 4 years and we're all like "fuck them hoes" when they voice their discomfort?

The whole thing is fascinating, in a cause du jour/microwave world kind of way

Who else heard that post in Bill Maher's voice?

You misrepresent everything, and you treat it like a zero sum game when it's not.
"Believe women" doesn't mean "indict all men," and that is on you for thinking it despite no one here saying any such thing.

Not even close

I don't really give a fuck about the bathroom thing. If trans folk want to share it with whomever then fine. Trans guy or whatever pulls up beside me at the pisser, who cares

However I'm not so much of an asshole that I don't believe there are genuinely women out there that feel rightfully uncomfortable about the whole thing and it has nothing to do with bigotry

Hence why my solution has always been individual bathrooms, like you see in newer builds these days. Such a simple solution where all this BS can be avoided. But you Americans have to fuck everything up as per usual

Except for what you just said to the contrary, I guess.

You do give a fuck about the "bathroom thing," and you cause harm by giving credence to bigots who use women as cover for their bigotry.

Just like how conservatives use "please think of the children!" while not actively giving a shit about children, the same applies to "won't someone please think of the women!" while not giving an actual fuck about women.

So you think every single woman who feels uncomfortable about all this, it's all rooted in bigotry for them? Just so we're clear

Man, the Republicans would love that smoking gun video for girl's locker rooms.
Funny how they can't even find actors willing to fake that shit.

Maybe James O'Keefe will dress up in drag and do it now that he's kicked out of Veritas

"Just so we're clear" he says, while muddying the water.

Diacanu makes a good point there, but I think you’re taking it too far. If there wasn’t an inherent sexual element in the situation we (society) are trying to control, we wouldn’t have separate locker rooms or bathrooms to begin with. I’m more inclined to think we should have individual changing stalls for everyone in a big coed locker room than that none of this is ever going to be a problem. While it’s rarely going to get to the point of rape (and in that case, who’s going to be stopped by a locker room or bathroom sign?) wandering eyes (if not comments) make people uncomfortable. In a world with more than just heterosexuals, it’s not possible to divide people into two locker rooms such that no one is attracted to anyone else in the room, and this applies regardless of trans people. Either people have to learn to accept the wandering eyes, or individual stalls are required. I’m inclined towards the latter, having been on the receiving end of those eyes, and heard the unwanted comments in the gym locker room before, but I agree that regardless of the answer, it applies as well to trans people as it does to gays and lesbians.