Reactionary Radical Eliminationists vs. Trans

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  1. Steal Your Face

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    Isn't Al Queda on Twitter?
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    Looks like the extremely bigoted right wing government of Norway has banned gender affirming care for minors.
    I placed in bold the part I found the most interesting. I thought this was another area where the science was "settled", what gives?
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...a-step-forward-in-eliminating-gender-ideology
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    Norway wants to review their guidelines, currently following the Dutch Protocol, as opposed to the Dutch Oven of which @Bill Carson is a proponent. It is something several European nations are doing. They say it's to better align the needs of patients and doctors, and that may be so, but people like Bill here think it's a condemnation of gender affirming care for teens, because his peepee gets hard when he imagines trans people being denied rights by medical agencies.

    Source: https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p697

    I don't agree with this move, as it feeds into the right wing narrative that teens shouldn't get affirming care. People like Bill won't read beyond the headline because he's already came, but the rest of us have to actually study things and learn about them. That said, I believe this will be reviewed, and care will be continued. If not, then it is something the transgender community will have to fight in order to protect the rights of the most vulnerable.
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  4. Nova

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    A settlement isn't a ruling, it's the district blinking when they should have stood firm*. But it's far from the first.

    Look up the case of Gavin Grim, who prevailed all the way up through the court of appeals, or Drew Adams who won and won on appeal then lost on the next appeal.

    I'm pretty sure there are others but these are the most high-profile.

    *if they'd been in a Trumpy circuit like the 5th I could see settling but VERMONT? Come on people!
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  5. Nova

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    Let's be careful with the language here.

    The answer is yes - but that does NOT mean every woman who feels that way is themselves a bigot.

    We are all products of the tropes and traditions of the culture that surrounds us.

    In 1960 virtually every white woman in the South (and a lot elsewhere) were DEEPLY troubled by the idea of sharing a restroom with black people, or their kid sharing a classroom with them. Did that mean every individual one of them was racist at heart?
    No.

    It means they were acculturated in a society saturated in racism. It's literally the only world they'd ever known. So racism was at fault for the attitude, even though you could hold that attitude and not be racist.

    Same applies here. It is both true that every single woman who feels uncomfortable with this does so because of bigotry - the bigotry that says all trans women are just a "dude in a dress" and therefore as inherently dangerous as any frat boy who's drunk off his ass.

    But this doesn't make her a bigot, it makes her a reflection of the bigotry that saturates the culture, or did during her formative years. Bigotry is more than what some redneck asshole cherishes in his heart, it's a cultural force, a worldview, no matter who the marked cohort is that it's directed at.
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  6. Nova

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    A movement that has been deliberately engineered and leveraged into the public conversation by reactionaries who have a lot bigger agenda than eliminating trans people.

    It's not grassroots or organic in the slightest sense but it DOES gather strength from the ignorance and latent bigotries of people who never thought to care until they were bashed over the head with a moral panic.

    To wit, There were news stories about minors transitioning 15 years and more ago and literally NO ONE translated that into "their coming for your kids!" - in fact the coverage was almost entirely positive. Other than hypersexualizing trans people with shit like the Springer show, for the most part society didn't have much to say in general. All of this ramp up happened in the last ten years and the "they want to trans your kid!" shit is no more than 3 years old. Literally no one was parading with "leave our kids alone" signs until the last couple of years.

    We have enough public and private communications to know full well it's entirely artificial media manipulation, but "balance" obsessed legacy media played into their hands - still are.
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    Twitter isn't forced on anyone. Unlike public school.
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    only you could resent being taught to read...
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    UA resents having the ability to participate on WF?
    Checks out.
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    Resent having opinions inflicted on a captive audience, as I have consistently explained.

    Some of you might agree if you pull your heads out of this "my feelings are objectively correct" delusion for five goddamn seconds.

    You wouldn't appreciate your child being baptized into someone's religion against your wishes and without your knowledge, for example. And I would agree.

    "That's different because.."

    No. Shut the fuck up with that. It's just another set of wish magic opinions you do not get to present as binding and obligatory.
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    Public school students are forced to check out and read/watch everything that's available in the library and on every individual teachers bookshelf? That's news to me. :soma:
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    No, they're forced to sit and listen to activist teachers.
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    And forced to read the books, right? That's why you support Republican efforts to ban certain books from public schools, because the kids were being forced to read them, right? Simply having access to something couldn't have been the problem, because you're cool with that when it's twitter. And there's no way you're a massive hypocrite. :bergman:
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    Boogeyman. There may be a few examples, but the vast majority of educators have enough work on their hands teaching kids to read, write and think, without getting Billy to explain how having two Dads is great and convince Nicola to have a dick fitted and become Nick.

    What they won't do is tell kids having two Dads is wrong, or that they should shut up about it, or that Nick is a freak, just because Timmy's idiot Karen parents can't fucking deal.
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    Subject to parental approval, just like the use of Twitter.

    If a parent doesn't want their child reading about the mechanics of dilating your fake vagina, or somesuch gruesome creepy nonsense, that's the end of it.
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    But you don't have prejudices; goodness no.
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    Subjective nonsense is subjective.
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    "Activist teachers" is almost always a euphemism for "teaching kids about the shit their parents and grandparents did, and I'd rather they not know."
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    They're not activist when they fight against evolution, and want enforced prayer back.
    Funny how that works.
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    Maryland Governor Declares Maryland A Trans Sanctuary State

    Source: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/maryland-governor-declares-maryland
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  21. Spaceturkey

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    you've been consistent in your strawman, yes

    there's one now.

    I'm sorry, what? Like what Archie Bunker did with Gloria and Meathead's kid?

    you're really trying to equivocate that with teaching unwhitewashed history or the biological and psychological aspects of gender?

    Dude, you're really backwards here on the irrational emotionalism and binding magic...

    "there are more things under heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy".
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    Yes they are. Don't shoehorn me into your "with us or against us" stupidity. I just fucking mentioned religion, but you still can't help yourself.
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    I'm not equivocating anything. There are facts, and then there is your ideology. You may only bring one into the classroom.
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    Do you seriously think that's how Twitter works? Do you think parents are approving every free app their child uses? :chris:
    Do you think parents are vetting every single tweet before their children see them? :chris:
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    I would hope that no parents allow their kids on Twitter, it's an absolute fucking cesspool now
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    funny... my "ideology" tends to align with the facts under discussion.
    your delusions and manufactured outrage, however...

    not so much
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    Unless they keep them locked in Uncle Albert's basement, that's not up to them.
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    But not as activists.
    Activists you use as a synonym for leftist.
    Why, it's almost like all your opinions are rote recitation of propaganda.
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    Sorry, you're saying that it's not up to the parents to police what apps their children use?
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    What schools teach about that? :wtf:
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