Same-sex marriage headed to the Supreme Court

Heck, there's even some transphobia in the gay community (although I think more among older people than younger ones).

Itis kind of sad it has taken them this long.

I think it's basically because the 6th Circuit hasn't done its thing yet.

We've already seen a few red states fly those trial balloons. They claim every business has the right to discriminat in hiring, in contracts, or to refuse service to anyone based upon "religious beliefs". They pass it to try to legalize anti-gay discrimination but the wording is such that you'll quickly get white supremacists denying service to nonwhites claiming they're part of "religions" such as the neo-Nazi Church of the Creator.

The courts will, rightly, kill it, but, it will just once again show how conservatives always side with racism, bigotry, and discrimination. Then they have the nerve to ask why groups which have suffered discrimination in the past won't vote for them.

You do realize that the Democrat Party position, the one they were willing to go to war over, was legalized hereditary race-based human slavery, don't you?

Wait, is it 1860 again? My how time flies.

Tapatalk is limiting my typing speed.

Could even be 1960, when Democrats like Bull Conner and George Wallace opposed segregation.

Democrats have a horrible stain regarding these matters and desperately try to ignore much of their history, attributing all the good events to Democrats and the bad ones to Republicans, so they can't even conceive of things like the fact that Susan B Anthony went to jail for putting on pants and proudly voting the straight Republican ticket. Sometimes they get so carried away that they wish slavery never happened.

The only reason those Dixiecrats opposed integration was because Lincoln's army whupped their great-granddaddies' asses a century before.

And a Democrat named Lyndon Johnson bulldozed right over them.

@tafkats got it in one. 6th Circuit has to weigh in, and they haven't yet. They'll need to, that's for sure. We've got a lot of bigots here.

Oops.

But Lyndon Johnson was a Dixiecrat, at least before he decided he wanted a different legacy. He'd opposed every Civil Rights bill in the Senate until the last one. The Democrats didn't change their opinions, Johnson just convinced them they could get all the black votes by offering a little help. Not enough to make a difference, just a little.

A lot of Johnson quotes are pretty toxic.

And then the parties realigned over the course of the 1960s, with most of the hardcore bigots jumping ship and joining the Republican party ... which welcomed them with open arms.

Sure you wanna go down that road?

No, they stayed pretty much the same, and the Southern bigots kept voting Democrat until they died out. The Southern didn't started voting Republican until 1994. The realignment theory is just a way for Democrats to, yet again, try to blame the Republicans for what Democrats had done. We just didn't have much to offer blacks compared to Democrats, because we think too much government help fosters dependency and failure.

This is why debate and discussion is pointless. He'll go down that road, and then skip away merrily while you expend efforts not to get hit by the traffic.

Welp, any good will he had regarding the Civil Rights act was long since overshadowed for getting us tangled in with the Vietnam War, so he'll never get his face on a coin as Lincoln did.

Apparently you've been down that road and got hit by traffic.

I'll let Elbert Guillory explain it.

Let's take a look at the Deep South states' voting history, shall we? Going back to 1964 ...

Alabama: Goldwater, Wallace, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain, Romney. No Democrats since 1976.
Arkansas: Johnson, Wallace, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Bush, McCain, Romney. Only Democrat since Carter was Clinton, who was from there.
Mississippi: Goldwater, Wallace, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain, Romney. No Democrats since 1976.

... and so on.

The former Confederate states have been reliably Republican since the '60s, except for when there was a Native Son candidate running. Well, and except for Florida, which is like half South and half New York anyway.

Only in Presidential elections. Almost the entirety of their House and Senate representation was Democrat. However, after WW-II, those Democrats supported a strong national defense and strong economic growth (business). The reason the Democrat party lost the South isn't anything to do with desegregation (those were long decided), it had to do with ditching national defense, guns, and free-markets and becoming all liberal and hippy. Southerners despise hippies.

And this changes the fact that the Southern segregationists mysteriously found the national GOP much more to their liking ... how, exactly?

Because something, something, Rush, something, something, Jesus.

Because segregation quit being an issue, and it was the one issue that kept them tied to the Democrat party, the party of racism. Stripped of that, they're just pro-business, pro-defense folks who hate hippies. Yet as I said, the old guard Southern Democrats had to die out, and they did. The younger generation that replaced them was raised without all the racism, and they eventually became Republicans. Up North, where segregation was maintained by massive slums built by Democrats, the Democrat racism remained intact. It's very different from the Southern version. In the South, they didn't care how close blacks got as long as they didn't get ahead (which would be kind of socially embarrassing, if not humiliating). Up North, they didn't care how far blacks got ahead as long as they did it somewhere distant.

Interestingly, northern liberals despise Southern black culture as much as Southern white culture. In fact, it may be their distaste for Southern culture in general that made them stick the blacks in slums. To them, rednecks come in two colors, and they don't like either one.

I'm willing to bet I know a lot more about it than you. Here is a hint: Notice how I wrote conservatives and not Republicans? The two were not always synonymous.

And yet Republicans were willing to go to war and die by the tens of thousands to end slavery, while Southern Democrats were willing to die to defend it, while Northern Democrats (Copperheads) were devoted to perpetuating slavery to negotiate an end to the war. There was not a sub-branch of Democrats who wanted to end slavery, or at least not one that was willing to do something. That may be where Northern Democrats picked up an anti-war virus devoted to keeping Republicans from doing anything good in the world.

I don't begrudge them this, but from a modern perspective slavery had to start, just as it had to end, so I could see how racist Democrats might think it needed to keep on going. But if we had time travel and a Democrat stopped slavery from ever starting, I'd go back and set things right. Without slavery, there wouldn't be a Republican Party.

if the 6th and 8th kill the bans, and thereafter Arkansas and TN submit quietly, I think the other deep south states will have to see the inevitable (albeit MS and AL will probably compete for the ceremonial honor of being the last to defend their ban - but MS has taken being last to Ninja level so AL should go ahead and concede) and the deal will be done.

If either of those say "Oh hell no!" then the other deep south states will rally to them. For all the good it will do.

Well, the sad thing is that inevitably gay marriage will end because we'll run out of gays. It's kind of like pushing for equality for lepers, shortly before leprosy was defeated. Sorry if the big picture upsets you, but as science advances we will either figure out a diagnostic test or a prenatal intervention, and parents are going to have "the talk". Nobody will admit it, but once we came up with a test for Down's syndrome, the number of Down's kids plummeted almost to nothing, being born only to people like Sarah Palin. The number of gays born in Muslim lands or China will probably drop to nearly zero in the first generation, while they'll hang on here for a while as a decimated population, a tenth what they were, and even then gay parents are going to have another talk about how they worry that their gay kid won't find a partner and will never be happy.

Out of guilt about human nature, and looking at all the amazing awesomeness that came from gays, we will keep their culture alive, long after it's extinguished in actuality because dads and moms are selfish assholes who want to breed copies of themselves. We will soon lose a distinctive and rich part of ourselves, and I mourn its loss.

This may strike you as the most homophobic thing you've ever read, but the key thing that marks a conservative is knowing what assholes we really are, as a people, and how people think behind closed doors, and what the effect of those decisions will be. Essentially, we're going to commit a genocide, and we'll only realize it in retrospect. Gay people make our life richer. We need them. They need to get people to realize that, and push their brand into that closed, quiet room where "the talk" happens, the talk that few Downs kids survive.

It's too bad surrogate moms and sperm banks don't exist, otherwise people can continue being gay AND having their own bio kids that know they were planned and wanted and certainly NOT the cause of cause of their parents' unhappiness in their marriage!

I can't even....

No, seriously, think about all the couples you know, those people you went to high school with. Really think about them, and that talk they have. Those are 90 percent of the breeders, and they alone will reduce the gay population to 10 percent of what it is now, which is not a very significant number, demographically, though it is very significant culturally, If you want to be a friend to gays, you need to get them to see the reality of their virtual elimination through the simple advancement of science and medical diagnostics, coupled with the people you went to high school with. It's a juggernaut.

We all love the Special Olympics and cheer the competitors with all our hearts, just as we're working on another front to keep future Special Olympians from ever being born. We are playing with who we are and who we will we be, and those decisions will be made by people you went to high school with.

Their decisions will be inevitable and disturbing. It doesn't matter if people like me are labelled as bigots. It doesn't matter if we celibrate each court victory. It doesn't matter how much acceptance gays get, because in retrospect we'll have fixed the problem, because we're a people who fixes anomalies, whether in shield nutation or gender identification. In the future world, Sulu doesn't exist. And Democrats will blame Republicans, even though we warned you about human nature.

You realize that gays have kind of existed since...well, forever? Gays didn't just magick themselves up in the '6s and '70s, yanno.

And sorry, but being gay is not equivalent to having a chromosome defect that imposes many legitimate risks to the child's life and the quality of life of the parents beyond the mental handicap. The biggest problem the parent of a gay child faces is having to watch for other assholes. Thankfully more of that ilk are dying off each day and those on the younger end have enough shame to keep their mouths shut till they're home and they can spew all the gay jokes there with no harm to anyone.

gturner has to be a fake character.

No. I'm trying to rip your brains from your comfortable place to a very nasty reality that will descend upon your heads when you click your favorite news link and it says "scientists find prenatal test for homosexuality"

What I'm saying is going to ring all your bells and set off all your whistles, and you will want to shoot the messenger.

But, given science, that day will come, or one much like it. And just as you try to sweep the consequences under the rug now, you will dismiss the consequences later, leaving mankind's future genetic makeup entirely in the hands of people you went to high school with, most of whom are married by now. Gays need to ponder on this.

They will not go out with a bang, but with a retrospective sigh, like we gave to leper colonies or deaf culture after we invented cochlear implants. Those who don't fit in to what NASCAR or Catholic moms will think is ideal will shrink and die away, unless they fight for their existence. The focus needs to change toward the existential threat gays are going to face simply as a result of scientific curiosity and those moms, and their husbands who have "the talk", a talk that's resulted in the near extermination of Americans with Down's Sydrome even though you can't find anyone who as a bad word to say about anyone with Down's. We all love them. Yet we are eliminating them from the face of the planet. You need to understand yourself, because "never choosing evil" doesn't protect you from not choosing evil.

Someone is going to figure out what's different about gay brain wiring, out of curiosity, and someone else is going to develop a test or cure, and couples are going to use that test, and they will quietly decide what their offspring should be like (and not just Dale Earnhardt Jr. fans) and our culture will be poorer. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but unfortunately the light has a whistle and it's an oncoming train. We have to deal with it instead of babbling about bigots opposed to gay marriage as we gleefully commit genocide. As most of the world has concluded at this point, Americans are a sick, fickle, crazy and twisted people. who are awesome at unleashing genies that eat their culture alive. There's no reason they're completely wrong about that, and no reason that gay culture is somehow immune.

The thing is, people who are both irrational enough and bigoted enough to view being gay as equivalent to a debilitating mental disability are -- thankfully -- a rapidly shrinking minority.