SARS II: Respiratory Boogaloo

That's data from the CDC and state and local health agencies.

Or is EVERYONE lying?

The CDC isn't lying, they're just not tracking the data like they once were. Think about it: if most reporting agencies have shut down, most trackers have stopped keeping up to date counts, and the only people reporting are hospitals, and the rest are self-reports from people at home, how likely is it you're going to have accurate data?

From 2022 no less:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ta-likely-masks-rise-us-covid-cases-rcna23652
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/faq-surveillance.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/20/us/politics/covid-data-outbreaks.html
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/18/health/covid-at-home-testing-data/index.html

From 2023:
https://time.com/6249832/cdc-covid-19-data-tracker-hospitalizations/
https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/article...-research-shows-despite-claims-of-overcounts/

Agencies have resorted to pulling data from waste water because it lets them know where COVID is still being found:
https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columb...astewater-to-track-down-coronavirus--variants
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/14/coronavirus-in-wastewater-sewer/
https://www.science.org/content/article/pandemic-signals-sewer-what-virus-levels-wastewater-tell-us

What's worse is that the CDC changed the color coding of their maps, making it seem like cases were in the safe zone when they weren't:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...dividuals-struggling-to-understand-their-risk

For fuck sake, get your head out of your ass for two seconds and take a breath where the other people are you drooling numpty. Stop being a tool for a moment and actually spark up the two blue brain cells you have left.

Ah yes, the data doesn't match your presumptions, so it must be the data that is wrong. LOL.

Data from 2022 isn't relevant in 2023 to see if we've passed the pandemic stage in 2023. That's the majority of your links.

People with mild cases that don't even know they have it are not serious medical emergencies. At this point in the US we've largely achieved herd immunity through the combination of mass vaccination and exposure. For the vast majority of people that have it, it isn't any more damaging than the flu at this point. The flu is not considered a pandemic now even when it's extant now because of treatment, even though it still kills ~30K people a year. Should we shut down the country due to this?

Your link to the CDC literally says nothing about your thesis.

From your 2023 Time article on why we have bad data:

That’s because it’s getting increasingly difficult to parse who is hospitalized or dies from COVID-19, and who is hospitalized or dies from another reason but with COVID-19. Across the U.S., “COVID-19 hospitalizations” represent all kinds of patients: those who need hospital-level care for severe cases of COVID-19; those with risk factors like heart disease or kidney issues who got infected, then had a heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure and needed to be hospitalized; and those who were admitted for one health condition but tested positive for COVID-19 at some point during their stay or several weeks afterward. COVID-19 plays a role of varying importance in all of these hospitalizations. “The situation is murky because we don’t know if COVID-19 is to blame for their worsening chronic health, or whether they developed a COVID-19 opportunistic infection that is [having] more of a bystander effect,” says Dr. Susan Cheng, professor of cardiology and director of public health research at Cedars-Sinai. “It’s hard to parse these things out except in the most extremely obvious cases.”
This doesn't say we aren't getting accurate counts due to lack of data, it's saying we may have OVER counts due to an inability to parse the data we have.

Your second article that addresses this explicitly, claiming we don't have overcounts, states that it isn't a peer reviewed analysis. And that the data in 2023 is preliminary.

And the problems in data collection aren't new - they are the same processes in place the entire time.

I get that you hate the Biden administration. Your preferred political ideology has absolutely no path to power unless they overthrow the Democratic party from within like the nutjobs did in the GOP.

Hospitals aren't reporting many covid deaths anymore - ANYWHERE in the US. They certainly are capable of checking people for covid and are hyperaware of putting people with covid with other populations.

Your conspiracy theory does not track.

Christ, you're fucking stupid.

Once again, why did 70% of US states not record a single covid related death in the last 7 days. You can't tell me that they are not just undercounting but actively suppressing the data, everywhere.

Everyone in the medical community would have to be in on this.

It would be the biggest conspiracy in the history of the US.

Ongoing health effects will no doubt be seen due to the pandemic. Suicide rates and mental health issues for example have spiked, and there's ongoing issues there. Long covid is impacting people for months afterwards, we'll see if it goes on for years. Negative impacts from lack of exercise and worsening diets will be seen. This increased hypertension - which also increased negative impacts of covid, as ACE receptors were seminal in impacting how people were affected.

But the data shows that the worst of it is over, pending any new variant. It's certainly possible that could re-emerge.

If so, I'm very glad competent medical professionals and government administrators will be in charge.

Instead of the histrionics of some rando on the internet.

If you drowned, it would take until the next election cycle for you to realize it. Whatever you're talking about, though, have at it. You only need yourself to masturbate.

Good argument. Very cogent.

In the meanwhile, the CDC hasn't reported this few Covid deaths per week since week 1 of the pandemic. That's 160 weeks.

The number of death reported per week is nearly 18 times fewer than at the height.

Even if there is some inaccuracy with the data, that would have to be an enormous variable for it to be significant.

The pandemic in the US is definitely at a lull.

Your insults don't change that.

But they are amusing. LOL.

Of course they're amusing, you have nothing invested in any of this. You're as out of the loop as most people walking around and spreading a contagion that kills the disabled, the elderly and children. You are a good example of the US as it is now.

I have nothing invested in this? Just how exactly would you know what I have invested?

I have a child. My wife is disabled. What's more, she's disabled because her immune system is attacking her body. I too am immunocompromised.

We both sheltered in place, we both are vaccinated. My wife however developed near fatal blood clots from her 2nd vaccination. She can't get boosters. She was bedridden for a year due to the blood clots and had complications after her initial diagnosis.

We've both had covid. We've both had long covid after that, as has my son, who has missed nearly 25% of his school year.

Even if those things weren't true I would have taken the pandemic seriously in order to protect my fellow citizen.

But I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I have no reason to believe the government is lying to me on this issue, I have no reason to think the entire medical community is in on some shadowy conspiracy, and I genuinely quite happy that for the moment at least it appears the worse is behind us.

But never let it be said that you won't make proclamations about your moral superiority based on nothing but your own ignorance.

You excel at that.

http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3359663/

I never said lying, and I never said shadowy conspiracy. I said the numbers were being under-reported because there is simply not enough data available. Then I posted other people, people with medical and science degrees, who also state that COVID is being under-reported. Learn to fucking read, you infected giraffe taint.

Yes, and I pointed out that 'under-reporting' when 70% of the US states reported ZERO, NO, ZIP, covid deaths in the last 7 days would be completely impossible without a vast conspiracy. No, I don't believe that nearly 3/4 of the states are not only 'underreporting' but completely suppressing any and all covid deaths. It's completely implausible.

Individual hospitals and clinics are still reporting up to state agencies. State agencies are still reporting up to the CDC. That has not been impacted by anything that has happened in the last year. Whatever methodological failures that existed in 2020, 2021, and 2022 still exist in 2023, so I certainly could believe that we've underreported as a whole, but that's different than stating that most hospitals simply don't believe they have any covid deaths right now. You'd need something systemic to explain that, such as a logistical issue such as lack of testing kits. There's no reports of that.

The government is slated to end paying for individuals testing kits, but that doesn't happen for 2 more weeks.

What's more, WHO is slated to end the worldwide pandemic declaration later this year. WHO Director-General Tedros Ghebreyesus is clearly moving in that direction. “I am confident that this year we will be able to say that COVID-19 is over as a public health emergency of international concern."
https://news.yahoo.com/is-the-covid-pandemic-really-over-234637739.html

Not only I can read, but I can also think. You should try it some time.

You decided to add your own parameters to what I'd already established. That was your choice, not mine. Argue with yourself about it, not with me. It's two separate discussions.

Sure. Then stop responding. LOL.

In the meanwhile, I definitely hope the dramatically lower death total from Covid continues unabated.

You could always stop pushing a wrong assumption.
Nah, I ask too much.

Daily deaths are also plummeting world wide, not just the US.

In fact, the trend line is virtually identical to the US. Many countries have not announced the end of the pandemic, yet their death rates also are in extensive decline.

Did everybody forget how to science?

First, worldwide:



Then, the US:



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Some of us are smart enough not to science on incomplete data.
You do you, though.

Good to know you are both the most morally virtuous person here and smarter than Walensky, Shah, Zucker, Fauci and Tedros. Your list of superlatives are truly unequaled.

Public policy has to go with what data is available.

I can certainly empathize with your fear of Covid, but the most prevalent strain now is more communicable but far less lethal. And herd immunity is ~70-75%. Between the vaccinated and the morons who simply got it without any protection we are well into that realm.

Which is why the people who do this for a living believe the worst is over here, and will soon be over worldwide. Tedros said we were in what appeared to be the end stages of the pandemic back in Sept 2022, and as garbage as our response was we still pulled out enormous resources that put us ahead of most of the globe in vaccination.

A Boise area pathologist who made a name for himself by downplaying Covid and claiming (without evidence) Covid vaccines were leading to an increase in cancer is being sued for malpractice. He was also a high profile appointee to the local health district board. The suit (which has not been adjudicated) makes some very serious and alarming charges. It appears he's being charged with falsifying biopsy findings to support his claims. Coincidence does not mean causality, but this is a case to watch with great interest.

Boise’s two biggest health systems St. Luke’s and St. Alphonsus have done away with mask mandates.

Over 12K new cases in a single day in India.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/in...t-in-around-8-months/articleshow/99630611.cms

California hospital has outbreak.

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/artic...kaiser-santa-rosa-hospital-local-health-offi/

WHO declares the COVID-19 public health emergency is over.

Mods, you can now close this thread.

We’re off to a great start in the post-pandemic world.

WHO declares COVID emergency over, but all eyes on Arcturus: Here's what you need to know

Pink eye. It also gives you pink eye. The headline writer knew exactly what they were doing.

Covid isn't ever going away, it's going to be like the flu. But the Pandemic is over, per WHO, CDC, Johns Hopkins and every other major medical institution, and the new cases being tracked have plummeted. The US had 8 covid deaths yesterday. Extrapolate that over a year and it's 1/10th to 1/15th the average number of deaths from influenza over the last 30 years.

Yes. Basically, COVID has finally become what the Covidiots claimed it was back in 2020.

Absolutely. Why? Because 2/3rds of us cared enough to TAKE THE FUCKING VACCINE.

There's going to be hot spots going onward, but most of those are going to be in deep red areas. I think we'll see mortality rates over mean continue to be higher in those areas for another few years.

But all the news will be when it happens to a place in a city, because that's where the doctors will find it and the media will report it.

More dead Republicans. Usually 0lder, the type that probably would have voted. In person.

Now that the dust has settled let's take a look at the lies we were told. This article is for the people who didn't believe me when I said Fauci lied. Behold...

https://reason.com/video/2023/05/08...writing-the-history-of-covid-19-restrictions/