Shithole countries

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  1. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Not really. Back then, ignorant assholes like you wanted to keep out our ancestors out too. Your ancestors are spinning in their graves, while you benefit from exactly what you oppose. Eat a bullet or five. :shrug:
     
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  2. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Yes, really.
    My ancestors are completely oblivious to current events, and any benefit they received 100 years ago in wildly different circumstances does not confer an obligation on me to extend similar benefits to anyone else today, no matter how much you wish death on me.
     
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    Paladin's political philosophy boils down to "fuck everyone else, I've got mine." That accounts for 93% of Wordforge "libertarianism" and "conservatism" as well. :async:
     
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    Well, there's a good chunk of Minnesota and North Dakota... :unsure:
     
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  7. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I can't fuck over someone whom I don't owe anything in the first place. And if restricting immigration is fucking someone over, then every administration, every government everywhere that doesn't have an open borders policy is guilty of the same thing to greater or lesser degree.
     
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    I don't even know where to begin to look something like that up but I would bet my bottom dollar that it is true. Especially since most of the "immigrants" from the shitty countries (to use Trump's phrase) are illegal aliens who lack basic skills or even any formal education at all.
     
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    This reminds me of a guy I met at a bar in Shenzhen. An American of Indian descent, brown skin. The first thing he starts talking about is immigration in the US.

    "Don't you feel like the US just going to hell these days?"

    "How do you mean?"

    "When my parents came to the US they busted their ass, but immigrants these days are so lazy!"

    I rolled my eyes and left. Some people are just immune to irony.
     
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    It's good old Capitalism. Once you get the tiniest sliver of a piece of the pie, you have to fight to make sure some other poor bastard is denied the chance to get a piece of it, too, while the biggest hunk of the pie, the other 99.5%, stays with the guys telling you the foreigner wants yours.
     
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    The few educated and talented people in a place like El Salvador who want to come to the US do so legally because they can actually get a skills based visa.
     
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    :facepalm:

    Trump won't need to be impeached. He's going to push just enough people who did vote for him not necessarily because they liked him, into not voting for him in 2020.

    There are ways of saying things that don't make you look like an idiot. Also if you are going to say stupid things you don't say it around people you can't trust. No one in that room with him, R or D, would be trustworthy enough to not leak to the media.
     
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    You want society to move forward, yet you pay homage to the drunken, perverted, adulterous MLK? Get real kid.
     
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    The country just doesn't have the same needs for unskilled labor as we did 100 years ago nor do we have lots of empty land to just give to people. Canada has the immigration formula to emulate and, yes, it is skills based, has obligations for the would be immigrants, and those who do not live up to their obligations get sent back home. That is how it should be.
     
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    Look at this, trying to conflate "fuck them" with " fuck them over," so he can argue against something no one is actually saying.

    I'll try to pretend to be shocked by the intellectual dishonesty, but we're talking about an overjoyed Trump supporter, so.... :shrug:
     
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  18. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Seriously, how is it not? Is every part of every single African country a shithole? Is every single African unskilled and inclined to criminality? He didn’t say we should take the good people and reject the bad. He assumes they’re all bad, soley on the basis of their nationality or race/ethnicity.
     
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    And a good point raised - why is it a good thing that foreigners are coming in taking highly skilled jobs from Americans and a bad thing that they're taking the burger-flipping, gas-pumping jobs? Couldn't possibly be an admission of a skills/education issue in the US, could it?

     
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    Those are school-taught American colonial values. If it wasn't for us, every nation with brown people would be a shithole. We're bringing enlightenment and Christianity market based solutions to the ignorant masses!
     
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    There are definitely some countries out there that are shitholes though, let's be honest.
     
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    Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free . . . remember that? It's kinda famous . . .

    That said, I very much prefer my immigrants to be legal ones, not criminals sneaking across the border in the dead of night.
     
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    Of course. Some of them due to their corrupt leadership. Others due to our involvement by installing a corrupt leadership. It's just, assholes like Donald Trump seem to think the darker the skin, the shittier the country. It falls in line with how we're taught in the U.S., you know, like when we arrived on these shores and told the Natives we were here to be friends, and then proceeded to just fucking infect them with smallpox, take their land, shove the remaining few onto reservations that we wouldn't live on because there are no adequate resources, and then tsk-tsk when we see how they live. It's like we're utterly oblivious to our contribution to the shittiness of their land and way of life.

    Of course, we don't do that now. That was the only instance. After that, the U.S. was liberating the shit out of other countries in the name of freedom and wholesomeness.
     
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    Freedom and democracy. :nono: Get it right.
     
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    Isn't this where you lot say "It's not a democracy, it's a republic!"? :dendroica:
     
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    Just as a statement of fact he has repeatedly called for a skills based, points system, wrt immigration much like the Canadian system. By definition that allows people with advanced degrees and skills our economy needs.
     
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    Most of them arrive legally. By most data, the amount that sneak across the border in the dead of night is negligible.

    But, I understand what you mean--you'd rather they arrive and stay here legitimately. Honestly, I think we need to lighten up our immigration policies to make it easier to legitimately immigrate and reside in the US.
     
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    No argument. It's the refusal to look at the reasons that's at issue. Dimmer's still harping on an incident that occurred 200 years ago, as if nothing else has happened in the meantime. One wonders what his ancestors were doing 200 years ago. :mystery:
     
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    That is pretty much libertarianism in a nutshell. Conservatives are not happy unless they can piss on people. Libertarians just want the option to piss on people. Neither of them think it is fair if they happen to get pissed on, but then they imagine it is a shower of warm gold from their God and dance around in the piss coming down from their overlords.
     
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    But somehow people thought that was racist or something.
     
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