Shot for getting skittles

It does kinda make me want to kick off a good killing spree.

A guy with shoes on his feet would make you want to kick off a good killing spree.

That's beside the point.

Nah, I think it makes them look like an idiot but since the kid was obviously a problem child in all likelyhood he probably did.


I fear no one, except my old man.

Nah...we just laugh at them.

I haven't been following the story all that closely. In what respect was he a "problem child"?

He was under a suspension from school which was why he was there in the first place.

Ah. Well, considering the reasons some schools are suspending kids these days, that could mean any number of things.

Just sayin'....

Apparently there was likely a serious issue of some sort, the guy is dead and the guy who shot him went home for a warm dinner at his house.

What kind of HS did you go to??? You can be suspended for being late to school and various other minor infractions.

And if it was really serious, he would have been expelled or even arrested.

Gimme a break with this shit.

It sounds like this kid was guilty of walking on a sidewalk while black. I can't think of any other reason revealed in the article that made him some how "suspicious" and worthy of being harassed and then shot. If it wasn't racially motivated race was certainly a factor.

Whatever. It's all speculation. Get back to me when we have more to go on.

Can someone come up with a VALID reason for this guy to shoot an unarmed teen on his way home from the store?

I know...the black kid tried to rape him. Yeah, that's it.

No wait...maybe he gave him the goo-goo eye. Yeah, that's it.

Zimmerman's explanation will be that he thought the kid was reaching for a weapon.

Big, scary kid, all right:

There is no valid reason that can be derived from what we've been given, that's the point.




And garamet, did you happen to notice the notation at the bottom of the pick that says family handout?

Your kid is in a world of shit or in this case dead, are you going to present a picture of him in anything other than his best light?
I thought not.

You think THAT kid could transform into some scary gangster kid??? Dude

Like I said, we'll see soon enough.

Hang that fucker!!!

Well I'll defer to your experiences as an inmate in New York City Jail.

Here they have phones in the cells. If you're in a safety cell we will bring you the phone.

And there is no using change for the phones. It's all collect calls.

Do a Google image search and, yeah, you'll see a "gangsta" photo of him in a hoodie, but the point is, the kid couldn't tip the scales at 100 pounds. Unless Zimmerman's built like Barney Fife, it's a little difficult to understand why he'd have considered him a threat. Clearly he did, or why did he leave the house armed? Or did he go back and get his weapon? shootER's article sheds a lot more light on this guy.

Like I inferred, given time it'll all come out in the wash.
The iinitial article was far short of being able to make any conclusions, only speculatve arguments.

Fair enough, especially since more information is still being made available. It's a sad thing, in any event.

Sorry Zimmerman - one small young kid by himself? Unless the kid was carrying a shotgun down the street, I wouldn't be afraid and I'm fifty-fucking-years old. You're 28 and in your prime. A group of young kids? I wouldn't approach them by myself. Here in Georgia you'd better call for an ambulance first, because what's left of you is about to take a ride in one.

So no matter how you slice it - why would you confront this kid? Alone, he's no threat, and in a group he'd be too much of a threat for one person.

As for Mewa's comment about phones in jail, he's right. Hell, if you can't remember the number you need (under stress, details like phone numbers can be a bitch for me) tough shit. Guess you're calling a different number, IF they let you use a phone again until four hours later.

One time my kid got arrested along with two of his friends. My phone number was in my kid's wallet which was taken during booking of course.
His friend in another cell heard what was going on, and when he was filling out some paperwork he quickly wrote down my daughter's cell number on his hand when the cop wasn't looking. Then in a few minutes when he was being escorted back to his cell, he held his hand up where my kid could see the number and (hopefully) get a long enough look to read it + remember it for when it was his time to call. My kid has my crappy short term memory, so that didn't work.

So he tried some other friends number that he did remember, and got an answering machine - there's your phone call, motherfucker! Guess you're waiting until eventually your family calls Missing Persons and they track you down to our jail.

Luckily his friend did get through to his people, and they started a phone relay project until eventually my daughter got a call from one of her friends that the Three Amigos were in lockup.

I see no valid reason for this kid to be challenged. Everything the family lawyer has said has checked out - 1) the kid was running to the convenience store 2) Zimmerman called it into the police 3) they told him to stay away 4) he confronted the kid and 5) the kid got shot 90 feet from his house.

Was the minor smart for getting pissed that he was stereotyped and getting into a fight with the idiot? No.

Was the 28 year old with a history of violence right in anything he did? According to people that don't think too much here, it was a justified shoot.

A dozen things happened up to that point, all mistakes by numbnuts, and he choose to kill the kid instead of running away.

Hell, he was in a car and got out to confront the kid who was walking to his house. The kid should be alive, and the armed adult should be facing a world of shit.

Wait. This guy:

• Called the police, who told him to stay in his house
  Armed himself and got in his car anyway
  Confronted the kid and felt compelled to get out of his car and shoot him

Wow, just wow. I'm against capital punishment, but if this...creature...happens to get shivved by a lifer a la Jeffrey Dahmer, I won't shed a tear.

ETA: Found a mugshot of this piece of work:



Twice Trayvon's size. Big damn hero...not.

Aside from being an unknown person in a secure environment.

Irrelevant.

Ah now there you have a point. Was Zimmerman in fact given a lawful order to stand down? Or was he simply told to avoid contact? Perhaps the 911 tapes will clear that up?

We don't know that.

Actually according to the news report he was shot 70 yards from his soon to be stepmother's home.

We don't know that. We do know that he was an unfamiliar face in the neighborhood.

We don't know that either.

A single dropped charge does not constitute a history of violence. Any more than young Trayvon's suspension from school indicates a history of discipline problems and a problem with authority.

Speaking as a former security professional, yes he did quite a few things right. He called the cops and he kept the subject under observation.

As compared to you who is already convinced it wasn't?

Isn't jumping to conclusions fun?

We don't know that.

On a foot path. Which meant Zimmerman had to exit his vehicle to continue observing and reporting on the activity of the unknown person wandering through a gated and secure community. Have you bothered familiarizing yourself with any of the facts available?

I know that there are unanswered questions, which due to the circumstances will likely remain unanswered.

You have none.

Feel free to refute anything in Demi's post or mine with facts. You can start here:

Kindly explain to the class how it's all lies made up by the MSM and you were there and it didn't happen that way at all. Take your time.

With every right to be there, who had spent time there before.

The kid was going about his business in a place he was entitled to be is entirely relevant.

He was told to stand down. He didn't. Several reports indicating he was following the boy in his car.

He had to choose to have a confrontation. The boy was in no position whatsoever to confront Zimmermann in his car while he was on foot.

Unless the boy telekinetically crashed him through his window shield, yes, in fact we do know that.

Daily mail says 'just yards from his home.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-captain-shot-unarmed-teen-STILL-charged.html

HuffPo says:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/family-of-trayvon-martin-_n_1332756.html

The original article makes no mention of where he was found.

Regardless, even if there are sources that say 70 yards, that's still very close to his home.

No, we just know Zimmerman didn't like the look of him. He had spent time in that neighborhood before.

Actually, we do know there was a fight, due to the multiple 911 calls that cite the fact there was a fight.

We don't know the subject of the detention.

We do know that the killer in this little morality tale was arrested and charged with battery on a police officer.

Which mall did you work at?

Despite being told explicitly by the dispatcher NOT to do the later. Brilliant, sherlock.

Absolutely. Guy in a car is told by the police to not follow a suspect does and later shoots him? Whether he was justified in pulling a gun is irrelevant to the point he wasn't justified to be in that position in the first place.


And speaking of making things up:

Don't change my fucking comments, asshole. That's not what I posted, and idiot you can SEE what I posted just a few posts before this.

Yes, I even understand them. He called FROM HIS CAR and was told WHILE IN HIS CAR not to follow the kid.

Which he then did.

Everything past that point is on said dumbass, unless he caught the kid in the middle of committing a crime, which in no case is what is indicated in any article to this point.

Quite possibly.

But its clearly been established that this happened because Zimmermann didn't follow what the police told him to do, and an unarmed kid is dead because of that.

The 'I LOVE MY GUNS' crowd wants to defend this because they know it will be used against them at some point by those who wish to take away those constitutionally guaranteed rights.

The problem is when your right to love your guns is considered more important than expecting our kids to be able to walk safely home.

The correct answer is 'this guy should never have been in this position in the first place, its a tragedy this kid was killed, and we have an obligation to exercise caution with our weapons that this individual did not live up to.'

Instead there's the knee jerk 'but it was a righteous shoot!'

It wasn't.