Shot for getting skittles

Sure they have. Some have even killed people before and been tried as an adult for it.

However, the standard for lethal force against a minor is a lot higher than you are indicating, as the statute I quoted says.

You are saying not only that he's not guilty, but its to the point where its ridiculous to charge him. He did nothing wrong, and that's an open and shut case.

Most people wouldn't agree with you - as we've seen in this thread - and its going to be up to a Grand Jury to decide that.

What? Zimmerman admitted to shooting Martin. The question is whether or not a jury will believe its self-defense.

There's a very good chance there will be, because a Grand Jury will say there's enough here to indite. And the DA is going to have to send it to a grand jury because of the political process - there's already protests going on over this.

And you continue to show that you have zero understanding of how human beings actually work.

Its clear that this kid is dead because someone else acted inappropriately - even if it turns out there isn't sufficient evidence to convict, there is very likely going to be a trial.

My guess is he'll be charged with manslaughter. Because he took actions that directly led to someone else's death. And, oh by the way, he could have ensured this didn't happen at any point in the chain, including running away when the fight started.

Instead he shot a kid. And the community will put pressure on the DA to have a day in court about that.

I believe that to be the case, but certainly Elwood is the expert.

However, and this is relevant to that trial we aren't going to have - Zimmermann didn't call 911, he called a non-emergency number.

The 911 calls came in when people started reporting gunshots 2 mins after Zimmermann was told not to follow the kid.

And while I certainly concur owning a firearm for self-defense is a damn good thing considering the police can't be everywhere, this is an example of how even if you can claim self-defense by the law (and we'll see where that goes), you can still be morally wrong.

Call the police, stay away from the kid. The only way he should have gotten involved is if he saw a mugging or other crime where someone was in danger.

Okay...

How exactly could he do that if he can't keep the kid under observation?

By observing from a distance, as unobtrusively as possible, and minding his own business unless there was an immediate need to get involved?

He was obviously following the kid closely enough for the kid to notice and for there to be a confrontation. He created the bad situation.

I agree the kid should have kept on walking and not initiated a confrontation.

Who's to say he didn't try to do that?

He's the neighborhood watch captain he was minding his business.

George Zimmerman is NOT the "Neighborhood Watch Captain".

He is the "Self-Appointed Neighborhood Watch Captain".

Which means he is exactly jack and shit.

He killed a kid after being told to leave him alone. He escalated a non-situation into a situation which resulted in death.

My mistake he's a Neighborhood Watch Representative.

No.

That has not yet been confirmed.

Who started the altercation?

Zimmerman started the altercation putting his nose where it didn't belong. He was told to stand down and failed to do so.

Damn man, why is this so hard to understand. Had Zimmerman followed the directives of the real live bona fide badge toting law we would be talking about tits right now instead.

No.

Link?

It has the same level of confirmation as every thing else in the article.

George Zimmerman.

That has not been confirmed.

I guess I'm just hard headed about things called facts and evidence. We don't know that Zimmerman was given a lawful order to stand down. Considering that he was not arrested or at the very least cited. I have my doubts.

Not much then.

What's sad about this is that Trayvon Martin was not a "suspicious person." Somebody had their rights violated, and it wasn't Mr. Zimmerman. I wonder if Mr. Zimmerman would have confronted a 17 year old, 140 lb. white girl under similar circumstances.

The article says so.

You do know what Neighborhood Watch is all about right?

Hmmm.

http://lezgetreal.com/2012/03/possible-witnesses-emerge-in-the-trayvon-martin-death/comment-page-1/

He was not a resident, but an infrequent visitor to this gated community.

???????

You mean would a 17 y/o white girl have confronted Mr. Zimmerman.

Yes. It has all the authority and law enforcement duties of a Lions Club Sewing Circle.

Neighborhood Watch is supposed to do two things.

1. Watch
2. Call the cops.

It's sure as hell not a license to gun down suspects who have every right to be where they are.

Don't worry, I'll serve pie as desert after your hefty helping of crow when it's served.

Seriously? Seriously? You're hanging your hat on that?

Never said it was.

Now why should I eat crow? I'm the only person here who hasn't reached a verdict.

So? You claim that's not good enough. Multiple articles claim that Zimmerman was told to keep his distance and not contact Mr. Martin as police were on the way. You claim "that has not been confirmed".

That has not been confirmed.

Observe and Report. Which Zimmerman was doing up until the point where young Trayvon supposedly confronted him.

You see it's not good enough for me, but it's good enough for you.

Until we hear the tapes for ourselves it's unconfirmed.

All evidence points to the contrary.

How do we know that Trayvon Martin is even dead? How do we know that George Zimmerman is even a real person?

Until we see this evidence for ourselves, it's all unconfirmed.

Hey, you asked, I answered.

Who's reached a verdict? I sure as hell haven't. All I'm saying is that Zimmerman for reasons that have yet to be determined fatally shot a "kid" who was minding his own business with a bag of candy and a bottle of iced tea in his pockets as far as the facts get us up to now.

I see that sandbagger is a real fucko.

Demi, Chaos, garamet, to name a few.

Yes quite you're quite the impartial party there.

I hope to God no one ever puts you pack of schmucks on a jury.

Worried your preemptive defense wouldn't hold up?

Sandbagger thinks this gated community is ALL WHITE. And that the sight of a black teen should cause immediate suspicion.

But if Zimmerman knew his own neighborhood, he would know that the kid was walking toward the home of a BLACK Man.

Has Zimmerman never seen black kid in that neighborhood??

She sounds pretty uppity.