Should noncitizens be allowed to vote?

Why? Because it's your opinion? So, anyone who says that true freedom dictates that we should err more towards enfranchisement rather than disenfranchisement is somehow insane and does not love and/or support the US? How did you arrive at this conclusion?

I believe anyone who wants more noncitizens voting do not respect or love the concept of the U.S. as a sovereign nation.

Like most of this board and half of all Americans you ignore the connection between freedom and responsibility as well as confusing liberty with license.

@Dayton3's ascared that new citizens, having seen how they and their kin were treated under the Dumpster administration, would vote Democratic. It haunts his sleep at night.

It does indeed to all of us who are sane.

Dayton, the "us" you're referring to are the voices in your head.

Except for the Civil War and why fighting to keep people enslaved was worth busting up the Union for, eh, Coach?

So a tradition that harks back to at least WWI should be discontinued because the snowflakes are ascared.

Only crazy Danny Trejo characters from your nightmares.

My family fought for the North during the Civil War. Actually they also fought for the South.

Depending on how the battle was going.

When did the citizens you label as "snowflakes" lose their rights?

You apparently believe that a persons rights should not be respected if they are people you don't like.

See, D, if you're going for parody here it's only worth it if your posting history made what you just said unlikely.

Seems like a mediocre idea at best, but it is up to them (or to the state). As long as it's limited to municipal elections only.

Quintessential Kitchens. That's going in the "Greatest Hits" thread.

parody?

You haven't. But you're acting as if you believe you will.

Pretty sure it already is.

So how did they manage it? Keep two different uniforms in the cupboard?

Lots of combatants during the Civil War (especially in relatively remote areas of what was then the "west") didn't have a particular uniform.

I'm being generous to your ancestors since the alternative is that they've all been like you, and natural selection should have weeded that out a while back. Of course, humanity does now try and lift the stragglers more (a trend you ironically denounce).

So on MWF they fought for the North, and on TTS for the South, then they rested on the Sabbath. Got it.

Nothing so formal. I think it was more along the lines of "they fought for the Confederates until the Confederates retreated and the Union took over the area then they fought for the Union. And so forth. Back and forth. "

The Union and Confederates in Arkansas didn't exactly take down names of who fought for whom and when.

Any civil war is a great opportunity for settling old scores as well.

Sounds pretty cowardly.

My dad had a very poor opinion of his family. He told me "the Kitchens's were a bunch of rogues" (I'm thinking he probably exempted himself from being included).

Daddy had a higher opinion of his mothers family (Green) and his wife's families. Pinkerton and Glasgow.

Which makes them all better people than you.

What was the name of your first pet?

No. No toes in the door. You want to vote in a US election at any level, you should have skin in the game. Citizens only. But naturalized citizens are still citizens, and hell, permanent resident aliens are fine as far as I'm concerned, too. Only the "temps" and illegals should be excluded.

Some forms of residency last longer than US Presidential terms. How is that NOT "skin in the game"?

Prior to Brexit, EU citizens living and working in the UK could vote in local government elections (closest US would be District or State level) and Police/Crime Commissioner (Sheriff or District/State AG) elections. Because they work in and contribute to those areas.

For the record I like that service can mean citizenship and believe foreigners who serve honorably should get citizenship. That said, I still only want actual citizens to be able to vote. Foreign citizens will vote for their nation's interests not the interests of the United States.

Just because you guys are stupid doesn't mean we should also be stupid.