Sick To My Stomach - Memphis City Council is Illegally Removing Historic Statue

According to the links, it's a division of the city government.

@Robert E Ron Paul Lee seems to have left the building.

I went grocery shopping today in Forrest's childhood home town, Chapel Hill, TN. Here's his monument.


Here's his childhood home. It's an office for a CPA now.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/TheLegendOfIyhara

What exactly is that?

Project of mine. Any info on the TVTropes pages is likely out of date and subject to change.

Of course, most of these monuments are basically giant mass-produced tchotchkes turned out by Racist Icons R Us to meet the flood of demand that erupted any time black people started to get "uppity." But for those monuments that do actually have some historic or artistic value, I have a suggestion.

Let's open a new museum. We could call it the Faces of Evil Center. Put the statues of people who fought for the right to own human beings in it, along with real, non-whitewashed information about their cause. I mean, the confederate apologists keep insisting that they really just care about preserving history, so let's take them at their word and see what happens ...

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-forgotten-memorials-20170828-story.html

Fuck that treasonous cracker and everyone related to him.

I believe you are talking about the stuff from the 1920's and 30's. This one was from 1905 and was marking the man himself or at least where his remains were relocated to. I doubt it was some cheap mass produced copy.

The statues put up in 1905 were placed there by the Daughters of the Confederacy. They pushed the "Lost Cause" narrative and mythologized the Confederacy and tried to soften the image of slavery. They got history books rewritten in the South to get future generations to believe it. This is why so many southerners believe the Confederacy was in some way noble and actively try to disconnect it from the horrific acts they tried to defend.

It's why I don't think all the people who believe it are racist, they're just brainwashed at an early age. I grew up with this shit myself.

Just curious Possum, where did you grow up? Cause I grew up in a very small town in SC and was taught the propaganda that the North was noble and the good guys until I went to college and was taught about both sides. BTW, I have a BA in history and specialized in the Antebellum period which included two separate classes on the civil war and reconstruction, of that means anything.

A small town in Georgia, our district even had prayers given out by the principals. It recently because a controversy when some parents sued the district because the teachers were mocking some non-religious students who left the room during the prayer.

So yeah, we're fucked up here.

Fair enough. My town was/is very religious, but I never experienced anything like that. We do have dry counties though and you can't buy alcohol on Sundays. Thankfully I lived five minutes from the NC border where you can buy beer on Sundays. Exit 1 I-26, Spartanburg Co. if that helps.

God, I was one of those kids who got a note to get out of Science class when they taught evolution. Couple years later a biology teacher humiliated me in front of everyone for asking the "if we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" question.

Apes, not monkeys. Also,

Yeah, we have covered that several times here. BTW do you have some link that says the original 1905 statue was replaced at that location? I am still happy the statue was removed but everything I have read so far says it was put up in 1905 so it likely wasn't a cheap copy. Just saying.

It means very little if you came out of that thinking that the black population of the South needn't be mentioned in an account of the Civil War.

To be fair, I lean right and am patriotic, but I still can't see any holes in your plan!

On a side note, if I won the lottery (yeah, the big endless money lottery) I would hire the best engineers, technicians, scientists, etc. to build an ark using the building materials available at the time in the near-east/middle east. The crew would be seven (or whatever the ark crew population was) of the most famous & powerful Christian theologians and set it adrift in the ocean just to see how long it would stay afloat and functioning. We can't put in every animal species in the world at that time, but we can put on common bible referenced animals like donkeys, camel, bears, horses, cows, dogs, rabbits, etc. Hell I'll build a few of them because bad luck won't happen every time - so I'll give the ark sailors a leg up & a fighting chance by launching in different oceans and times of year.

While researching the ark, somebody on a site brought up some great points: Noah was not a sailor - none of his family/peers were sailors. Noah was about a hundred years old at the time (a young man when people lived to be over 500!) but it's not like he had been learning maritime techniques the whole time. So basically Noah knew jack-shit about building or piloting a boat. Not just any boat mind you, but the biggest boat that had even been built until the modern era - 19th Century or maybe even 20th Century.

Then when the flood was over proving the plan successful, Noah and his crew went back to farming and other bible region activities. Yeah, if I just pulled off the world's greatest engineering, sailing, and zoo-keeping feat that would ever occur to this day, I would go back to farming.
No sense passing this vast, game changing knowledge along to rest of the recently destroyed world to give them a jump start on rebuilding civilization. Okay they were the only survivors, but Noah lived for hundreds of years after the flood - he could have passed along his amazing skill & "hands on" experience to thousands of people.

Sorry but only a bronze age uneducated population with zero maritime experience would believe the story. Obviously nobody realized the endless species distributed across our planet so the logistics of ventilating, feeding, watering, etc. these animals wouldn't bother them. As for endless species around today, some believers say those animals "adapted" and branched out to many species after the flood. In other words there was a proto-fox that "adapted" as they spread out into the grey fox, the red fox, the arctic fox, etc.etc.

ummm......isn't that just evolution? So evolution is a thing, but only after the flood, right? Gregory Hines could never tap-dance that well!

God gave Noah the plans and inspiration to build the ark.

It never happened. It is a myth for stupid people.

God originally intended Noah to sail to Sha Ka Ree, but Noah disobeyed (Genesis 11, v. 6 - 9). Later, when God offered to forever dry man's tears in exchange for ritual sacrifice of all first born sons (Genesis 12, v. 47) Noah demurred, stating plainly "I hath need of my pain, Lord".

Plans that Ken Ham couldn't replicate without construction equipment.
Or millions of taxpayer dollars looted against everyone's will.

And his can't float.
Or hold every animal in the world.

But yeah, the Bible is magic.

B-b-but Ken Ham wasn't guided by Teh Lord. Clearly his work was sacrilege.

Original design of the ark, before God realized primitive Bronze Age inbreds weren't capable of building it:

He disavowed the Klan the way Tookie Williams disavoweled the Bloods or Crips that he was a part of. Or something.

Doesn't mean we ought to look up to them as heroes for separating from situations they created, but Poodle doesn't see that.

Yep. Muad Dib was the most well known example of this, with his trying to insist upon how #NotAllSlaveowners were beating slaves and treated them like part of the family

@Anna are you saying I’m making all of this up?

"You do your best to take care of your property, and owning a person is just like owning an Xbox, ergo all slave owners were kindly saints!"

^^It's actually a better analogy than you think.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.red...ctually_has_sex_with_his_xbox_and_dresses_it/

I guess @Anna's going to hide behind neg reps again.