I pretty much built my bling around the light. I wanted a light for defensive purposes, and set it up so that I had the highest quality system for the least amount of cash.
Walk Kowalski's lawn: The only place in the universe that Chuck Norris is afraid to go. Because of that.
They wrote a book about the time Chuck Norris borrowed Walt Kowalski's Garand. It's called Revelation.
Bought a couple of NcSTAR scopes today for the Stag. Got the DLB140R and the STM432G. The DLB is a red dot sight and also has a laser. No magnification. I mounted it on the picatinney today, went out and zeroed the red dot in at 50 yards. Having some issues getting the laser zeroed. It's aiming a little high. Got the red dot in the scope dead on. The STM is a 4x magnification scope with red or green illuminated reticule. Haven't mounted or zeroed it yet. Got pretty good deals on them. Paid $75 for the DLB and $99 for the STM. I looked at a Trijicon Jesus scope, but it cost more than my rifle.
quite honestly, I don't see why m4geries, what I did for a SHTF rifle was I got an SKS, put a TapCo stock on it, and i have the gas piston tube/handguard with the tri-rail mount on order, got a simple red-dot and a foregrip, might get a light, 32 round mag and a handfull of stripper clips, whole setup'll set you back $500ish, you'll know your weapon, and have more money for ammo, if you want something more for home defense, honestly I wouldn't even recomend a rifle, i'd say get yourself that tactical setup Mossberg 500 and load it up with #3 buck or (if you wanted to drop the $1100) pick up a Benelli M2, the tactical version I have has the lightest recoil I've ever felt with a .12ga
All well and good, and I wish you no ill, but if SHTF, whether they be ally or enemy, I'll be able to take 5.56mm off of dead soldiers. Once WalMart and the gun stores run out of 7.62x39mm, you're fucked.
Don't forget spare parts. There are spare parts for the M16/M4/AR15 platform out the wazoo right now and in a SHTF scenario I'm willing to bet that a lot more will become available.
I'll let you know. I've got a .223 bore sight ordered so I can zero the STM432G in without wasting alot of ammo. Should be in next week and then I'll mount the scope and try it out. I did look through it some yesterday. The green reticule looks good in daytime and the red sure looked good at dusk. When I win the Powerball, I'm going for the Trijicon Jesus scope just because I can. Until then, the NcSTAR stuff will suffice.
True enough (unless you have a goodly supply of 7.62x39 ), but if you can take ammo off of dead soldiers, you can also take their weapons.
Because SKS rifles suck balls. That's why the Soviets used them for all of two years as their front line rifle.They're not accurate for one (I await your made up story to counter this), they're cheaply made, and they handle recoil horribly compared to a real gun.
Oh man, I love SKS's...as long as they haven't been all TAPCO'd. They're cheap, reliable, indestructable, simple to mantain, and accurate enough. I owned a Yugo, but traded it for the Mossberg. I don't regret the trade, but I'd like to get another SKS some time. One of my "got to get before I die" guns is an SKS Paratrooper. That would make the perfect truck gun IMHO.
I had a Chinese SKS. It was one of the guns that went bye-bye in the great gun robbery of 1994. It was pretty sweet. Shot well.
i'm a good shot, TYVM apostle, I've had the training, do you even OWN an SKS? ever fired one? I've never had recoil problems, and the damn things are pretty sturdy and don't bitch about what ammo you feed em. as for the other points everyone has made, the availability of, and my own hoard of 7.62x39 means I won't be running out any time soon, and, as for parts, one gunstore here has a good supply of parts (which i have been stockpiling), and about 30 SKS rifles on it's racks. oh, Shoes, it's funny you mention trading your SKS for a Mossberg, I traded a Mossberg (maverick) for my SKS.
I'll be damned! When I bought my scopes, I asked the dealer if they had any bore sights. He said they were out but would order one for me. It came in today. I was expecting an old fashioned bore sight. Nope! This is a little laser shaped like a .223 cartridge. Turn it on and insert in in the rifle's chamber, shine it out there about 100 yards or so and zero the scope in on it. Test fire 2 or 3 shots to make sure it's on-target and you're ready to go. I didn't know they made those.
I don't know about scopes, but with irons and non-magnification type optics the conventional wisdom is to zero at 50 yards. That way, it also happens to be zeroed at 200 yards.
My non-mag scope is zeroed at 50 yards and is dead on. I zeroed it the old fashioned way. Shoot, adjust scope, shoot, adjust, shoot, adjust... This laser helps zero it without so many shots. Especially that 4x scope.
Shoes is right about the battle sight zero at 50 yards and then reconfirm at the 200 yard mark. It was invented by the USMC. The traditional 25 meter zero leaves a lot to be desired out of it. the 50 yard zero minimized bullet rise and drop.
If you want to see bullet rise and drop, try firing a .58 cal musket. It's the most pronounced arc I've ever seen.
Am I correct in saying that, for an AR-15 sighted-in this way, 0-200 yards (maybe a little farther) is essentially point blank range? No compensation for drop is needed because 50 and 200 are dead on, less than 50 is only an inch or two low, 50-200 is just an inch or two high, and 200-300 is only an inch or two low again....
Oh there is definately some rise and fall. See the attached image. For an explanation of the IBSZ check out this web page or down load it as a PDF here. Keep in mind that you have bullet drop right out of the barrel not because the bullet really drops, but because of the sight alignment set up on the M16 family of weapons. That is also why it is very damned important that if you are buying an M4gerie that you get one with the properly "F" marked front sight base. With the shorter (16" ) barrel on the M4geries, you have a shorter sight radius and the "F" marked bases take that into account.
The bullet does rise above the line of sight, yes, but it's only 2 inches...and that's at 135 yards or so. What I was suggesting is: for all intents and purposes, once you're sighted in with the 50/200 deal, aren't your sights effectively good for any range from 0 out to, say, 250 yards without any kind of holdover/under? If I'm shooting at the torso of a man-sized target, the +2 inches at 135 and the -2 inches in the 250 are negligible.
Yep you got it. The above graphic for a ballistics calculator does dramatize the rise and fall and makes you think they are much worse than you would think
Here she is. Bareback with the iron sights up: With the Red Dot scope attached and iron sights down: With the 4x mag tactical scope attached and iron sights down:
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