Star Trek Beyond ***Spoilers***

Hasn't it been implied multiple times that there are ships out there with majority alien crews? Plus I've always just assumed that humans are the rabbits of the galaxy and there are just a whole lot more of us than there are of many other races.

Not sure about the rabbits. The majority alien crews on other ships would fit the old canon well, but it's undermined by the menagerie shown among the Enterprise crew in this film.

Original Series "The Immunity Syndrome" the U.S.S. Intrepid is referred to as having an all Vulcan crew. Which results in Spock being stunned by their simultaneous deaths at the hands (or pseudopods) of the giant space amoeba.

As far as I know that is the only "canon" example but logically if a founding member of the Federation like the Vulcans had a ship reserved for their own crews then other founding members like the Andorians and Tellarites would as well.

In the FASA RPG the Andorians had an entire fleet of ships which others in Starfleet nicknamed the "Blue Fleet"

And in one of the TNG novels an all Tellarite crewed ship is referred to as the "Slisha"

I always assumed that each planet all had their own space agencies.

Not canonically established but sure, why not?

Starfleet is an agency of the Federation and its vessels are used for purposes defined by the Federation (exploration, defense, planetary/colony aid, etc.) but the worlds of the Federation may have fleets of their own for other purposes (transportation of goods and people, etc.). Not every mission in space need be a job for Starfleet, after sll.

There seem to be plenty of privately owned starships in ST (Cyrano Jones, Harry Mudd, Okona, etc.), so there might be private fleets of spacecraft, too. It's not hard to imagine interstellar trucking firms. Maybe we'll see a FedEx ship eventually.

One nice touch right out of the gate was that even though it was much more futuristic-looking than in TOS or other appearances in the franchise, the bottle of Saurian brandy Kirk was drinking had the traditional curved neck.

That's the one thing about Star Trek we really never got to see and that was the "civilian" side of the Federation.

We do see some references to companies in Star Trek so it's fair to assume there would be some type of shipping companies that haul freight back and forth between planets. At least before TNG and the replicators.

Saw the movie again today, and that was something that occurred to me as well.

I came *this* close to going to see it again today but decided to wait until next weekend or the one after.

Part of my Carson Tower backstory was that he came from a wealthy family on Mars that owned their own shipyards and operated their own commercial fleets.

I have a new head-canon which makes the motivations a lot more clear.

The Yorktown was built as a peaceful station to be shared by dozens of races right, but why build something like that out in the unexplored arse-end of nowhere? Because that region was under dispute before that. The decades of uneasy truce before peace was worked out meant the whole region around the nebula was a mini neutral zone that Federation ships stayed out of.

Krell is angry because he was lost/presumed dead when Starfleet might have found him if they had searched this area. He spent a century stranded because the Federation was more interested in keeping the peace than doing everything to save one of their own. And now they have the gall to build Yorktown, where all the races sit together and sing kumbiya in a gleaming monument to the insult dealt to him.

Humans need to remember who we are, that we are important, not a phony peace with aliens who would tear us apart.

Well he'll remind them, soon enough humanity will remember that space is dangerous, that holding hands can't save them.

He'll show them.

Humanity will be made great again.

That's not my backstory.

Caught STB this past Saturday afternoon. 3D version!

I went in expecting utter shite & came out surprisingly finding it NOT as horrible as I'd dreaded.

It does have some good scenes here & there, & nice & cool visuals.

And scattered references to past Treks, as well as non-Trek SciFi & other fiction here & there.

Has kernels of what could be better stories if expounded upon.

Could've done WITHOUT that Beastie Noise infernal racket though!

And I really liked the Leonard Nimoy & Spock Prime Remembrance & Appreciation that was in the film.

Anybody else think there's a correlation between Yorkstation station and the Battle of Yorktown? Battle of Yorktown was where US won the war and America was essentilly founded, while Edison fought to found the Federation and was sent off as a peacemaker?


And never lose site of the fact that this is all Jonathan Archer’s fault. Balthasar Edison served as a MACO on Enterprise fighthing the Xindi, so he watched as a Starfleet captain tortured a man in airlock and stranded aliens in deep space to steal their warp coils. Of course he thinks unity and peace and love hippy crap of the Federation is the wrong course.



And lever lose site of the fact that this is all Jonathan Archer’s fault. Balthasar Edison served as a MACO on Enterprise fighthing the Xindi, so he watched as a Starfleet captain tortured a man in airlock and stranded aliens in deep space to steal their warp coils. Of course he thinks unity and peace and love hippy crap of the Federation is the wrong course.

I got the distinct impression that Edison, though he might've resented having to broker peace with former enemies, was not driven to rage until he had been marooned on Altamid, that this was something that swelled up and consumed him over time. That is, if you asked a pre-Altamid Captain Edison about negotiating with the Romulans, he would've said "Yeah, I don't like it, but it's my duty."

You know what I *totally* did not get until now (when I looked up Edison and read about his crew) was that Kalara and Manas were the two other survivors of Edison's crew. I guess I should have figured this out from his line of dialogue that "there's only three of us left." I thought they were aliens from downed ships (like the others we saw on the planet) who just somehow wound up as his henchmen; I did not get from the movie at all that they were former Starfleet personnel.

I didn't. With all the other 50th anniversary callbacks (966 days into the mission=1966, Franklin's registry: NCC 326; Nimoy's birthday: 3/26) I figured it was a callback to the fact that the Enterprise was originally going to be named Yorktown.

And the Enterprise A was the Yorktown post refit.

The good:

It is definitely the best of the reboot movies (Abramsverse, Kelvin Timeline, whatever you want to call it).

The characters we love are back. They spent the first two movies being annoying as fuck -- Kirk as a douchey frat boy with anger management issues, Spock and Uhura as squabbling teenagers, etc. Now they're actually all believable as Starfleet officers, on top of actually being sympathetic characters instead of people you want to punch in the face.

Less reliance on completely absurd McGuffins like "red matter" or whatever the fuck.

A comprehensible plot and somewhat less emphasis on cramming as many gee-whiz flashy special effects into the movie as possible.

It felt a lot more like Star Trek. And the nods to the original cast, between the photo in Ambassador Spock's belongings and the musical hat tip to the original theme, were nice.

The bad:

Krall's motivation seemed flimsy and forced. I didn't find it at all believable.

A far-flung Federation outpost on the edge of the frontier is ... a gleaming crystal city with millions of inhabitants? Makes no sense. It should have felt more like Deep Space Nine, rugged and utilitarian.

The nitpicky:

Putting aside the number of ranks Kirk would have had to leapfrog to get to Vice Admiral (hell, it's not as weird as his original promotion to captain in this timeline), how is a commodore in a position to offer somebody the rank of vice admiral? Isn't that a bit like Harry Kim being able to promote Crewman Chell to first officer?

It's possible Commodore Paris was speaking on the behalf of an admiral she works for....?

There-is-no-onscreen-evidence-

Well, we kinda did in the "ancient relic".

No, it annoyed me that his grudge was basically explained away in a throw away line. His complaint has the potential to be interesting, but is wasn't explored. I'm wondering if they cut some of Elba's scenes.

She's probably just relaying the offer from her superiors.

No, but it's been in every reference guide that's been published, and we know for a fact that Simon Pegg not only used Memory Alpha as a reference, but actually contacted MA's founders.

Memory Alpha actually supports what Dayton says, namely that USS Yorktown being the renamed ship in Voyage Home was never canon. Being in non-canon reference guides doesn't equate to what's on screen. For instance, Hikaru and Nyota were long considered to be the names of Sulu and Uhura, but they didn't become canon until Trek VI and Trek 09 respectively. How about Robert April? He's still not really canon as Roddenberry said the only episode of TAS that was canon was Yesteryear. But everyone considers him to be the pre-Pike Captain without question.

I'm not saying it's "canon," I'm saying Pegg is a Trek nerd undoubtedly knows about this behind the scenes information and that it's likely the station is a reference to it. Which is what's being discussed - whether it's a reference or not.

I've never understood why assumption that Enterprise-A was the renamed U.S.S. Yorktown? The U.S.S. Yorktown was one (of many) starships the whale probe disabled in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, though the only one Starfleet is shown as making contact with.

Though how a solar sail would provide power for the ship as the captain says is one thing I'll never understand.

Anyway it seems like a huge leap that they simply towed the Yorktown into the Spacedock and painted a new name on it. Why not assume that Starfleet was building Constitution II class starships continually and the one that became the Enterprise-A just happened to be outfitted about the time of Kirk and his companions trial?

I'm with Dayton on this one. Even though it's contradicted by information in the TNG Technical Manual, Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise states that the -A was a re-named USS Ti-Ho. I tend to go with the that notion since that book was published before the TNG tech manual.

This movie doesn't open until September 2 in China.

No, the station is a reference to the fact that Roddenberry originally named the Enterprise USS Yorktown when he was creating the show.

I think the ST franchise is headed for a reboot unless it kicks ass in the remaining foreign markets. It's way short of ST and STID.