Who cares what Roddenberry's intent was? He's dead. Also, Roddenberry was very much against featuring a war in Star Trek. yet the beloved DS9 was dominated by the Dominion War for more than two years.
"I never said women are not equal, oh but they are and I don't think they are capable of being effective leaders and should thus be kept off the television". I swear you don't even understand your own statements do you? How can you be a teacher and yet not understand your own words? Again, not liking the Sisko character is not a legitimate excuse for claiming that nobody other than a white man should be cast. You have clearly made a race based remark, not a remark about Sisko, so stop pretending that we are fools who can't spot the damned obvious.
So you're saying that you want white, male, racist, misogynist captain in a show about war and space battles. Yeah, I can see Trek fans signing up for that one....:jayzsus:
Well, not all Trek fans signed up for that. Some of them just watched to see the captain bang hot alien chicks.
Agreed. I don't care if his ideas are okay or not, this is NOT the conversation I want in this thread - hell split it and put the ugly part in the Red Room
the non-controversial reply to that post would be to make suggestions of your own, rather than throw chum in the water for something you knew full well would happen.
We aren't talking about acting ability........ I don't get it though. Some of you have said you wanted science fiction to be "gritty" but you shy away from a flawed captain with obvious character problems.
Because ever time his away team returns from a planet amidst the sparkly transporter effects, the camera will have to slowly pan down to show that he made it back too. Answer #2: Because he can't reach the transporter controls. Seriously though, he'd make a great captain in keeping with the traditions we wish the show supported, as opposed to the truth of making women in mini-skirts cater to the geek/jocks who run the ship. What I would sadly expect, giving the reality of the show's history, is that he would play some color character with an odd job and strange backstory, assuming they didn't try to put him in an Ewok costume. Putting him in the captain's chair would be too much awesome for the producers to tolerate.
Seriously, this. ETA: To clarify, I mean everyone continue this line of conversation in the Red Room.
I can actually see your point, but in terms of cost of CGI they're hard to do without going really abstract or incorporeal. A number of the books have gone out their way to do something more than Forehead of the Week, the Titan ones especially, which even references Diane Carey's "Doctor's Orders" at one point, which brought us three nicely alien species. Well, loads actually. The exploration provided the framework: Charlie X - middle of exploring Where No Man... - exploring edge of galaxy Naked Time - studying an exploding planet Enemy Within - exploring a planet Miri - exploring a planet Corbomite Manoeuvre - exploring Shore Leave - exploring a planet Galileo 7 - exploring Squire of Gothos - exploring Tomorrow is Yesterday - exploring Return of the Archons - exploring Space Seed - exploring Alternative Factor - exploring City of the Edge of Forever - exploring That's 14 out of 29 episodes, with the others either involving some form of investigation, tied into exploration (The Menagerie, What are Little Girls Made Of) or regular duties you'd expect of a vessel like the Enterprise. If I could be bothered, I could go through all of TOS and doubtlessly find a similar amount of exploration-based episodes. TNG would be different, as you've a faster ship and a wide area so such a vessel would see it's time split between exploration, diplomatic and military duties, which is pretty much reflected in the episodes, DS9, different still, as whilst it was exploration-heavy initially (either visiting the GQ, or receiving visitors from the GQ), once it got into the swing of things it was more about conflict.
Charlie X - middle of exploring Where No Man... - exploring edge of galaxy Naked Time - studying an exploding planet Enemy Within - exploring a planet Miri - exploring a planet Corbomite Manoeuvre - exploring Shore Leave - exploring a planet Galileo 7 - exploring Squire of Gothos - exploring Tomorrow is Yesterday - exploring Return of the Archons - exploring Space Seed - exploring Alternative Factor - exploring City of the Edge of Forever - exploring Alternative Factor was a military mission. That was made clear when Starfleet warned the Enterprise to prepare for an invasion. Shore Leave had absolutely nothing to do with exploration. The entire reason for beaming down was to find a suitable place for some down time for the crew. Tomorrow is Yesterday was based around a purely accidental encounter with an undetected black hole. Return of the Archons I'm pretty certain was based around basically a search mission to discover what happened to the starship Archon (i.e. a salvage op). I could go on and on but you get the idea.
Agreed. This is Media Central, it matters that threads stay on topic. Dayton is not the topic of this thread, nor should he ever be a thread topic in this room. Let's keep the discussion focused on the new TV show and cut out the flames and trolling. I gave out a warning early in the thread and then very quickly found dozens more that should be handed out. I'm going to rescind the first one but anything after this post needs to follow the MC rules: no flaming, no trolling.
If the history of other CBS one hour dramas is any guide (CSI, NCIS) then the number of episodes in the first 7 or 8 seasons should be 22 or 23 each. Don't know how the new programming format might change that.
This page explains why cable series are shorter than broadcast shows and cable pretty much equals internet: Less dependency on advertising because of subscriber revenues. Narrower definition of success -- i.e., a "terrible" showing of 3MM viewers on a network would be a huge audience for cable. More control by the auteur: Because budgets are smaller, cable shows can build an audience over time. Therefore, executive producers , show runners, and other creative leads of a show have more clout to be able to insist on shorter seasons. Counter programming:When the first cable networks were starting to do original programming, they programmed in the summer - when networks were on hiatus from original programming, and showing only reruns. The summer "off season" was about 13 weeks - giving cable shows a defined time slot to start to carve audience from the network reruns.
I thought about that but Star Trek is a pretty high profile property. I would say since they are beginning in early 2017 they will go with a relatively short first season, say 13 episodes and then see how they work out before deciding on subsequent seasons. Are they still going with the "premier in September, season finale in May" or do internet shows use alternative programming?
My biggest beef with the shorter cable series (I've yet to start watching any of the internet-only ones) is when they split the short season into two parts over the course of several months. I hate that The Walking Dead does it and, IMHO, doing that is what helped kill Men of a Certain Age. Just when the story arc gets going...they stop it and make you wait several weeks, if not longer, to see how it wraps up. My other complaint is similar: it irritates the hell out of me when they take an already short cable series and split the last season...into two to "milk" the show as long as possible! They did it with Breaking Bad and they're doing it with the final season of Hell on Wheels. Fuckers.
I'm forced to agree with Dayton again. The first season will probably only be a 13 episode run, max. Such is the nature of online TV shows. However, we can expect much higher quality because of it, and fewer filler episodes. There is the possibility of longer seasons, however I highly doubt it. Even the high profile internet shows like House of Cards and Orange Is the New Black have capped at 13 episodes in their 2nd and 3rd seasons. And Dayton, typically internet shows are released all at once (at least for Netflix shows). Other internet streaming platforms will sometimes release them in regular intervals, or all at once (it really depends).
True, but it hasn't exactly been a ratings giant since season five of TNG. The second to last episode of DS9 was the lowest rated first run episode of Star Trek at the time and Enterprise was middle of the pack at best on UPN. On cable/Internet, there's less interference and more openess to do the stories Trek was good at doing without shoehorning forced comedy or sexiness (although I hope the new format allows for more exploration of the latter that doesn't come off as though a middle schooler that just discovered fanfiction wrote it).
