Star Trek Returns to TV

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  1. Amaris

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    Yeah, you buy the Roku for $49, and then you pay CBS Access $6 a month.
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  2. Dayton Kitchens

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    Well no big deal then. The Roku amounts to a typical Fathers Day gift and 6 a month is pocket change.
  3. Nova

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    If only 13 episodes is the trade-off I have to make to get shows of the quality of, say, Daredevil, i am totally down with that.
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  4. Nova

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    You know what I want to see? Underrepresented but intriguing alien species.

    How about a Deltan? Give me a Deltan science officer!
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  5. Dayton Kitchens

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    What is so great about Deltan's. The one on The Motion Picture didn't add anything to the movie.
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    Um, she became a being which drove almost the entire second half of the picture....
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  7. Dayton Kitchens

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    That wasn't a Deltan. It was an android creation of V'Ger that looked like the Deltan Illia. Even the voice was noticeably different.
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    With a new Trek TV series, why don't TPTB give some SERIOUS thought to what it is EXACTLY that they want to make & put on?

    Consider NEW directions & ideas of how to go about making Trek!

    Otherwise, just abort the whole thing NOW!
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    Well some basic questions have to be answered first. Such as the afore mentioned length of the seasons. They also need to answer how large a cast they want. And of course the time period they want to set the series in.

    I'm still betting they'll go with a revamp of TNG. Separate enough from the Abramsverse that if they want to reference it they can but not too closely tied to it.
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    It still had her thoughts and feelings buried within it.
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  11. Dayton Kitchens

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    Minor issue.
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    If they revamp TNG, I really will be out. :brood:
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  13. Fisherman's Worf

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    I'm hoping it's a revamp of DS9 season 1. There were so many unanswered questions from Move Along Home.

    For instance, what sort of evolution must a species go through in deciding upon the Mullet as their default hairstyle?

    Allamaraine indeed.
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    Honestly, fuck a DS9 revamp, too...that was lightening in a can that will never happen again.

    CBS needs to learn from the past. Start fresh. The constant cribbing and references to TNG stories strangled the life out of Voyager. FFS, let's actually follow a crew in that 90 year period between the end of Enterprise and the beginning of TOS, since the former has forever screwed the pooch on a proper prequel origin story. :shrug:
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    It's hard to decide. There are so many ways they could fuck it up just by picking some godawful idea in a meeting and sticking with it.

    Sure, there's a lot of backstory in the Trek universe, and a lot of history, but I'd put that aside and focus on the premise for the show as if it was an entirely new concept, just as you would for any other sci-fi show. Then you make sure the premise can fit into the Trek universe. A Starfleet uniform isn't going to save a bad concept that would crash and burn without that uniform.

    As an example, the whole Temporal Cold War story was widely panned. Was it a good story in its own right? Apparently not, yet time travel done well gave us Continuum and 12-Monkeys where the story was well thought out and interesting, not just an afterthought shoe-horned in to burn air time. Dark Matter takes the rogue ship and crew concept and handles it well, without relying on cliches and technobabble. And of course there was Battlestar Galactica, Firefly, Stargate Universe (perhaps an example of what not to do), Fringe, and many other shows, some of which might show what could also be done in a Starfleet uniform.

    Perhaps having six people in boring outfits sitting in chairs and staring at a big-screen TV isn't the best format for anything interesting for the past 20 years.
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    If they are only going to do 13 episodes per season then I'm lowing my "episodes with space battles" hopes to only four or five per year.
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    Don't lower your expectations, raise them.

    In the Trek universe they have FTL ship-to-ship communications, so even if the characters' ship isn't involved in its own space battle, they could be critiquing someone else's for a few minutes of the episode. It would just be part of the senior officer's job to view the latest combat footage, review the tactical situation, and sign off on it. That would also be a good vehicle to show battles where the Federation loses or runs away.
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    Well we had plenty of those in the Dominion War.

    But I hear what you say about the other stuff. Or running simulations of battles on the holodeck (if they have that technology).
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    I'd honestly rather them set it further out, a few generations past the ending of Nemesis. Less tied down to an intricate web of canon that way.
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    And they'd better rethink they're space battles. BSG raised the bar.



    "Target their aft shields!" *pew* *pew* "Aft shields disabled" just doesn't cut it.
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    No, not really. It directly impacts the end of the film.
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    Would that be the end of the film where the young hero doesn't get laid, and in fact probably dies, because some fake-ass babe convinces him to try crack with the unstated assumption that it will be better than sex? Yeah, like that don't happen a dozen times a day down on 3rd street and MLK.
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    You made it that far?

    I salute you sir!!!
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  24. El Chup

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    I actually really enjoy it. I think it's very underrated.
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    Like that would stop anyone from bitching .

    I remember coming across an archived Trek Today article from 2000 that rumored the then unnamed Enterprise to be a series set in the 29th Century. Nerd Rage ensued.

    Another article from two weeks layered confirmed Series V to be a prequel and many of the same people still weren't happy.

    Can't win for losing with this fandom. :shrug:
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    That we know so little about them, for one thing. That they are described with an interesting hook in terms of what makes them different, that they are aesthetically pleasing (as opposed to, say, a Tellerite), that using a species we already know about, but don't know well, is better than making up a new species or re-using one that has been commonly used.

    (that said, some of the more common ones have a lot of potential, still, too - I'd be cool with another Trill for example, or an Andorian)
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    It might be underrated.

    But "underrated" does not mean "any good".
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    I loathed the Trill (never written consistently) and got more than enough of the Andorians in Enterprise.
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    It occurs to me that Star Trek fans should stop dreaming of "The Walking Dead/Game of Thrones/Star Trek".

    It isn't going to happen because that isn't Star Trek.

    Star Trek is ultimately a middling space opera. Sometimes brilliant, sometimes awful, on average slightly interesting with a tinge of annoying preachiness. The seasons generally being a little something for everyone. A few action episodes. A few humorous episodes. A few with a tedious "romance" in it.

    In my opinion, people wanting to write for Star Trek should do the following:

    1) Ignore Voyager and Enterprise for obvious reasons.

    2) Watch Original Series, Next Generation, and Deep Space Nine.

    3) But don't watch ALL of them. Take the 50 best episodes overall.

    And ignore them.

    Take the 50 worst episodes overall

    And ignore them.

    Watch all the rest of them. Because ultimately a series comes down to how good are the run of the mill, workaday, episodes filmed in six days in the middle of the season on a limited budget.
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    if the idea was to go, say, another 100 years out (which I'm kind of skeptical about because then you need another big advance in tech and so forth) then at least you have enough intervening time to sort of re-set the table a bit. Say give the Federation a shake-up and a setback, take the utopian feel of TNG off a little further and so forth.

    Beyond the obvious chemistry and so forth of TOS, the thing I liked about it as a concept was the idea of being on the frontier. It is said that one of GR's inspirations was the Hornblower books - so do that. Literally, Hornblower in space. Put our heroes as far from home and on their own as someone in the British Navy in 1810 might have been, though still no more completely out of contact than they were.Make your focus a young Lieutenant who's maybe 4th in the chain of command - and that because he's an obvious natural talent with Kirk like qualities and take the whole first season to get him into the center seat...maybe. It's just one possibility.

    But the Hornblower concept - even if our hero is already captain - has potential to both be a truly Star Trek series and yet still be something that's impressive in the post-BSG landscape
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