Star Trek: Strange New Worlds [SPOILERS]

Does it really matter? In Disco we see yeoman Colt, she also appeared in The Cage.

Here she is in The Cage.



Here she is in Disco.



They could be different crew members, in The Cage she is credited as Yeoman (J.M.) Colt. In Disco she is credited as Yeoman Colt. Yet both are supposed to be the same crew member.

Robert April had only appeared once in Trek, in the animated series. There are so many inconsistencies in the animated series that it shouldn't matter. I could be wrong, but about the only non-animated visual depiction of April is from the Star Trek Encyclopedia, and that was written by Michael and Denise Okuda, where a photo of Gene Roddenberry was used as him.

Wow. She got ugly…

Yeah, count me in with the 'I don't care if they rework stuff from a cartoon' group. I'm sure they cast a good actor, that's enough. Even a large chunk of dedicated Trekkies either haven't seen or don't remember TAS.

She had a wee bought of shore leave.

Bout.

If she bought it, I'd ask for the money back.

I’m sure they cast a good actor as well. They don’t have a problem with actors, they have a writing problem.

How do you know? It hasn't even aired yet.

That's a helluva superpower.
To telepathically see all the movies and shows that haven't come out yet, but using it warps your soul, and you hate all of it.

FF thinks anything past 1865 is bad.

Akiva Goldsman is Executive Producer. Guess what other shows he's Executive Producer, Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard. That tells me that Strange New Worlds is probably going to suffer from the same problems as Discovery and Picard.

Doom Patrol.

just remember when criticizing any trek series, these immortal (and very true) words:

"79 episodes, about 30 good ones".

38%

Is that supposed to give these new shows a pass?

no... just proves you're holding modern trek to a way higher standard than the original ever came close to achieving.

but you knew that

Here's what I said about modern Trek. I hold it to the standards of contemporary shows of the past decade. They finally have the budget Star Trek needs and the shows look pretty, but they fail in comparison to the shows I mentioned in the Picard thread.
http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3407300/

I'd like to see Trek series done as well as those shows, too (though I don't watch Outlander) but I think Trek is too constrained by its 55-year history to pull off something as innovative as the series you listed. I wish it were otherwise.

Earth/Romulan war could have been a good place to start. The Federation breaking up was poorly done in Discovery, going past Voyager's time would have been another good jumping off place, the original idea for Enterprise was to do The Right Stuff type of show, I think that would have been interesting.

I think one of the most appealing things about those shows you listed (minus Outlander because I haven't seen it) is how vital the cinematography and editing is to the storytelling. Exceptionally good and innovative most of the time with The Americans probably being the most conventional in that regard (though it's been several years since I've seen it).

Live-action TV/streaming Trek is very conventional with its shooting and editing which, I believe, further leads to conventional, constrained storytelling with no real risk-taking.

Even the movies were all that way until JJTrek which, excessive lens flares aside did some pretty cool stuff that we never saw with any of the TOS or TNG films.

ah, so the goal posts have moved and it's no longer just about trek within trek, but now every show being made?

Not sure the E-R war would be compelling given the rules writers would be bound by for more than a season. Does the audience see the Romulans? because the crews can't... ever.

Disco should've stayed where it was in time, but folks like you and your youtubers weren't having it because "canon" /"it's not gene's vision"/"wokeness"/"emoting"... Honestly I thought the first two seasons not only didn't have a completely bad episode, but also that they stayed pretty close to inside the lines. They never should've caved to trolls.

Picard is post VGR, but what could a new series and crew in 2401 do that would be innovative?

I think you mean "an idea that didn't get past the writers' room" was for ENT to take inspiration from The Right Stuff. (rather than gazelles and tired tropes). Of course, they did have the one episode that was literally that...

Paramount/CBS has invested a ton of money in the Trek franchise over the past few years. I'm loathe to (somewhat) agree with FF, but the fact of the matter is that they could have spent even a fraction of that money on retaining some top-notch talent behind the cameras -- particularly in the writers' room.

I do agree with your point however, that a lot of those writers probably wouldn't be drawn to Trek given all its baggage.

So ..., if I have the argument correct ..., FF wants new Trek writers to write Trek like the original series, but better, not different, just better. But, when offered something better, he refuses it because it's different than the original series. Is that correct?

Lower Decks is post-VOY as well.

FF listens to pseudo-angry Youtubers, and their arguments are loaded with cognitive dissonance, because hate gets them click money, so they have to hate everything.
But if they really hated literally everything, they'd have blown their brains out ages ago.
So the fact that they're breathing exposes the fraudulence.
Their audience's mistake is in taking them seriously.

I bet there are some people out there who are fans and would jump at the opportunity to write for the franchise. Maybe they shouldn’t have pushed Bryan Fuller out of the way.

People can't possibly be taking that stuff seriously.

A lot of fans know the correct way and the hoops they have to jump through to get the opportunity to write for the franchise - which, I might add, would be way easier than getting an opportunity to write for any other franchise.

Bryan Fuller left of his own accord for "American Gods".

One would like to think so.

With the Earth/Romulan war the audience would see the Romulans. You could have them wearing helmets when engaged in combat and have them eat those pills we saw in Picard season one so they’re never captured. Enterprise hd already set up drone ships piloted by people other than Romulans. And in the rare occasion one is captured, Section 31 handles them and it remains classified that they look like Vulcans . At this point I’d just do a limited series with a de-aged Archer sending a crew on some sort of secret mission or something.

Thus confirming that you are in no position to ever complain about contemporary Trek's writing.