Kirk becoming Captain of the Enterprise under the circumstances shown *is* contrived. But it's done, so let's move on to stories where how he got command doesn't matter...
Gee, really? I can't because something this contrived kind of ruins that whole willing sense of disbelief thing you're supposed to get when you watch a movie. Things only ever get more complicated. An advanced military even more advanced than today is not going to have the same kind of standards ancient ones did. So the fact still remains that Cadet Kirk did not have the experience necessary to command a ship. I honestly can't believe I'm having arguments about this when not all that long ago I was arguing that this was indeed going to be a case of Kirk going from cadet to captain, for no other reason than that he was "supposed" to be captain of the Enterprise. It shouldn't surprise me, but it sure is frustrating that for some people there can be nothing wrong about this movie.
Don't see the big deal, at the end they was said he was the relief captain of the enterprise and some time must have passed too as pike was promoted from Captain to Admiral. Must have been at least another six months as the ship was messed up.
That's odd. The movie I saw ended when Kirk, Spock and Chewie got the medals for destroying the Romulan Worldbuster and saving the good guys. Curtain falls. Applause. Not sure what show youz guys are talking about.
not so. He's 28 in themovie. Canon says that he took over the Enterprise at 31 (a year or two before "Man Trap"). Born in 2233 Got the big E in 2264 Per: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/James_T._Kirk So basically 3 years. Reading over that Wiki, it mentions the Farragut incident referred to in "Obsession" as having happened in 2257. The movie is set in (presumably) 2261. That would mean that in the new time-stream, he hadn't even joined Starfleet in time to have had that experience and he would also not have been classmates with Finnegan, Finney, or Gary Mitchell. What is interesting to me is how such characters we know exist (unless the time-alteration has also caused them not to) might be used in a new way. I doubt they would ever show up in a movie but if they allowed novels in this alternate-verse, wouldn't it be cool to see Mitchell in command of another ship? And at some point comment that "In another life, you and me would probably have been good friends" or some such.
In fact, it would probably make a very interesting study to sort through the TOS episodes to find things that CAN'T happen the same way now. I suspect there are fewer than we might expect. A quick take: WNMHGB - COULD happen, though Mitchell would not have been Kirk's friend from the Academy. They may or may not get that close during the time Mitchell would be serving before the events of the episode. The Menagerie - COULD happen. The Talos visit happened in 2254 and we have no movie evidence to suggest Pike and Spock didn't have that experience. The only point that would need rationalizing is the "construction" of the Enterprise just three years previous to the events in the movie and one could dismiss that a a major re-fit (ala TMP) and Pike and his command crew assigned to the Academy during that work. Balance of Terror - the whole "we've never seen a Romulan" thing is gone, so it would be different in substantial ways but the basic event could have happened still Court-Martial - it would seem this one falls apart unless the incident between Kirk and Finey is ret-conned as having happened on a cadet cruise. TCOTEOF - someone has mentioned this one but I'm not seeing the reason. Amok Time - You'd have to assume the important people were not on Vulcan and that the ritual could take place elsewhere...but I'd guess that the easy out here is that T'Pring was killed and thus there's no binding compulsion concerning her. Mirror, Mirror - No conflict, but I'd LOVE to see Quinto play Bearded Spock Journey to Babel - substantially different details of course, but the basic story remains. Obsession - ret-conned to an Academy cadet cruise incident or it can't happen. I don't see a lot of other major points in the series.
You forget Operation -- Annihilate in which we meet Kirk's brother, SIL, and nephew. Part of the emotional drama of that ep comes from Kirk's familial connection. I could swear that at some point in TOS (I've never seen TAS), Kirk mentions something about being raised by an uncle/elder brother after his father dies, but having recently rewatched Operation--Annihilate and The Conscience of the King on CBS.com, I didn't see any mention of Kirk's childhood or father in either episode. As I said before, one of the things with the scrambling of the timeline (again, not necessarily a bad thing) is that we can't be certain that the Enterprise will be at a specific place. So it might not be the Enterprise which discovers the Botany Bay, or the giant planet killing log from The Doomsday Machine, since Kirk seems to have taken command of the Enterprise at a different point in the time stream. One could imagine, for example, that much of the fleet winds up getting destroyed battling the planet killer, instead of just a single shuttle craft and another starship. Or Khan manages to conquer a couple of different worlds, before Kirk is sent to stop it. I would hope, however, that if there's any mention of these things, they sort of skip over them (say Old Spock gives them important info, instead of keeping his mouth shut, since all of them were put in motion before this movie began), and don't do a complete rehash of them.
I think Kirk is 25 in the movie. Nero was waiting for Spock for 25 years. He came through right before Kirk was born.
Plus the fact that it was Stardate 2233 when he was born, 2255 when he joined Starfleet Academy (that's 22 years) and "three years later" when the climax of the film happened (that's also 25 years). Therefore it was 2258 not 2261.
But does 1 stardate really equal 1 year? In the old canon, the earliest stardate we have is 1312, with WNMHGB, so that got re-arranged, too.
In the new continuity, the stardate is quite clearly the Gregorian year followed by a decimal point..
The TOS writers admitted that they were just making things up when it came to stardates, and it wasn't until later on that they thought about putting some kind of logic to them. IIRC, in TOS, there's a stardate which starts out as 3 or 4, and that would put it 1K+ years ahead of anything that we've seen on screen so far.
Yeah, there were three TOS episodes in Season 1 that were separated by maybe a grand total of 6 stardates.
There's an image floating around the net somewhere which illustrates Chewie getting a lot more than that from Leia.... Just sayin....
Just saw it...or rather the first 40 minutes, then I walked out. Hey Abrams, you jerk, there's something called a SteadyCam, try using it !! And can we have even more closeups, because I need to see nose hair. Seriously, I couldn't tell what was going on because everything was shot too close. Worst cinematography, EVAR.
Okay Shep, that's pretty funny. But remember what I've said about explicit images, even behind spoiler tags. I've edited it to a link.
So how do you folks think the next one will be? I foresee a big rebellion by the hardcore Trekkies when it is announced that Khan is being re-cast for the next movie.
Why bother with a reboot at all if they're just going to go back and rehash old story lines and villains? Does no one have even a shred of creativity?
We're talking about Follywood, so no. Seriously, if it were about creativity, you'd not see Follywood turning out so many remakes, sequels, and adaptations, as their goal would be to create as many unique films as they could. Instead, its about the bottom line, which means that if you're going to be plunking down $100+ million for a film, and you have a chance to make a film which comes "pre-sold" to the public, you're probably going to make that one, rather than something wholly original.
