The All Time Greatest Random Mass Shooting Thread

There was almost one at the airport here yesterday. Quick action by a police officer put an end to it before anyone was seriously hurt.

How about an officer involved shooting thread?!?
Starting with Adam Toledo's murder by cops...

There is one, I think - TBBS has one and I'm sure we did too. Probably buried once the Defund the Police thread took off.

You mean a Good Guy With A Gun stopped a mass shooting? That can't be right . . . it contradicts the Established Narrative.

I thought the good guy with a gun narrative required a private citizen.

Shooter's story says "a Parks officer" which I interpreted as not being an airport security guy. Could be wrong.

and....?

Whoa, hold the phone here! Suspect dead? Don't they teach cops de-escalation? And why did the cop even have a gun in the first place? You yanks are barbarians. I guess when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

And that Constitutional protection, for all you bleat about it being needed to stop events like this, or the King of England coming back like the boogeyman, or the gubmint going fascist... actually does about as much good as if you built a fort out of LEGO.

At least with LEGO, kids injure adults.

Fair enough - do the "officer involved shootings" include cops shot by suspects? Talk about a narrative-buster, am I right?

then again a 13 year old running around with a gun at 0230 hours might...just might...be a recipe for disaster. Do that often enough and it's not a matter of if but when you will meet your maker either by cop or by crook. Change my mind.

I'm going to need some targeting coordinates first. I mean, I've tried locating it conventionally, but I've got fuck all.

We might need the Hadron Collider on this one.

Not even going to try to change your mind, but when a perp does everything the police order him to do, and tje cops still kill them enough times, don't be surprised when perps stop complying and just start shooting, since they figure they're dead either way.

Then again don't put yourself in a position where the cops think you might be an imminent threat. For example running from the cops with a gun in the dark. If you think this type of behavior is normal or even recommended, fill me in on your thought process.

Some boilerplate variation on "Civilians are subject to absolutely no standards for their personal conduct whatsoever, while police should be nerf-padded Vulcan hug therapy masters, armed only with the power of the Care Bear Stare" in 3..2...1..

Then why didn't the cops just shoot him to begin with instead of issuing orders that the kid followed to the letter before shooting him? The latter seems a little counter-intuitive.

I'd be with you on this if not for the massively disproportionate responses black folk get from the cops when compared to whites. Make your 13-year-old a tow-headed white kid and he'd magically have been taken without gunfire.

Make him a ginger. Now what?

Because it could have been their intention to give him a chance to comply but they changed their mind at the last second. If there was more than one cop involved maybe one cop's last second judgement didn't jive with the other cop's judgement. A lot can go through a cops head (like a bullet for example) and when it's dark and things are happening lightning fast things can go south quickly.
Maybe instead of giving kids "that talk" about why they should comply with the cops because it can be fatal (which is true, I'm not arguing with that) maybe they could shift the conversation toward why being a street criminal is very dangerous and that hanging around older kids who are criminals will be fatal.

I'm a parent - many of us on this board are. We all know our kids get into trouble from time-to-time. But when it becomes a lifestyle at a young age it well not end well.
It's basic math really: the more times you engage the cops the greater the chances that a cop might make a mistake, or just be a dick and make your life hard or even end your life.
If a kid does get in trouble (it's inevitable) resisting arrest or evading the cops will only get you deeper into trouble. My kids aren't geniuses but they figured this formula out pretty quickly, and it's paid off so far anyway.

Park police officer who was working extra hours with airport police, so a real cop.

He's a soulless abomination which must be destroyed.

So, you think it should be the opposite? Cops should have hair-trigger guns and civilians are supposed to be calm? I seriously doubt you would remain calm if some jackass with a uniform and hair trigger accused you of something, started screaming orders, then shoots you anyway.

Do you realize that there are thousands of civilian/police interfaces every single day? The odds against "getting shot anyway" are astronomical. If you'll keep an open mind long enough to do some actual police reports and statistical data (compiled by a variety of unbiased researchers) you will find that the vast & overwhelming majority of people shot by cops are resisting arrest, physically attacking or attempting to attack the cops, or evading the cops where they might possibly reach a weapon or vehicle where they will be an imminent threat to public safety or the cop's personal safety.

Why would they change their mind? He was unarmed, he was following their orders, and they shot him. How can you justify that?

I wonder how much that will matter when it’s your kid.

Stfu.

He had the gun up until almost the last few seconds. If the cops didn't give him enough time to comply then they did screw up and it was their fault. But my point is (and I thought I was pretty clear) that the kid putting himself in the position in the first place could have been avoided. Work with me here:

1) the kid had a gun throughout much of the pursuit
2) there was a pursuit, as in the kid was trying to evade the cops
3) the kid was out well after dark doing criminal shit

how many times can you roll those dice? Just sayin'

They gave him plenty of time to comply. HE HAD COMPLIED AND HE WAS STILL COMPLYING!

My son has been arrested and booked twice and questioned god knows how many times I don't know about. When you're caught, you're caught and he knows that. Man up and own it, but don't make things worse for yourself. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. That said he was never running around at 13 years old armed with young adult criminals after midnight so there is that.

Here's the video. Cops responded to a "shots fired" situation. It was a ten second chase from when the cops detained the older guy and the kid took off running. Ten seconds until he realized running wasn't an option. He drops the weapon (behind his back) as he starts to lift his hands just as the cop shoots. So the cop had .8 seconds (8/10 of a second or 800 milliseconds) to react and obviously he made the wrong decision. It's not like Toledo had his hands up for a long time. Was he unarmed? Yes, just barely long enough to drop the weapon.
So bottom line did he comply? Looks like he was in the process of it, but considering he was armed only .8 seconds earlier the cop didn't have much time to mull it over.

Lessons learned: if you just shot a gun (Adam had powder residue on his hand) at 0230 and the cops show up and you run (with that gun) and after a short pursuit you suddenly drop the gun and try to raise your arms, don't expect the cops to get the memo in time.

Adam Toledo shooting video shows teen with hands up, unarmed - YouTube

.8 seconds is pretty much a second. Again, the cop told him to show him his hands, he showed him his hands, and then the cop shot him. At best, the cop fucked up. There is no other way to see this. Why tell him to show him his hands, and then shoot him after he showed him his empty hands?

Cop: Show me your hands!!

Kid: Shows him his empty hands.

Cop: Oh shit! His hands are clearly empty, but he had a gun a second ago! BLAM!

There is no defending that shit.

If you or I did that on camera, they'd put us under the jail.