The All Time Greatest Random Mass Shooting Thread

I think those of us who didn't spend last summer staring determinedly at a few busted windows saw enough police misconduct to not take a claim of resisting arrest at face value.

So your kid was arrested. Alive. So not only do you not know, but you can’t even empathize.

His hands were coming up as the cop shot. Regardless it's what the court says, not what we say. And there is no guarantee we'd be under the jail if we did what his cop did - it could go either way.
But my take on it is don't shoot a gun in an alley in the early morning hours then run from the cops while you are still armed, and the cops haven't ascertained why you recently fired your weapon.
But hey, your mileage may vary. Regardless I'm done talking about it. I've voiced my opinion on the shooting to the best of my ability.

His hands were already up when the cop shot.

If I shot an unarmed 13 year old who had already surrendered and was standing there with his hands up, I wouldn't be expecting it to go my way.

The kid wasn't even the one who fired the gun, that was the 21 year old who was showing it off to him - according to the guy himself.

Meanwhile, you can drag a cop with your vehicle AND attack him with a hammer and not end up shot.

But can you guess the key difference?

He had a gun in his hand, was dropping it as he spun around to raise his hands, the cop saw the gun and saw him spinning around to raise his hands and the cop fired. In that moment, it's you or him. The cop immediately called for an ambulance and tried to help him.

Full unedited video.

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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

He was standing there, unarmed with his hands in the air when he was shot. Claiming he was armed when he was shot, was turning around when he was shot, or was in the process of raising his hands when he was shot are all bald faced lies.

No he wasn't. He had a gun in his hand.

No he didn't. He'd already dropped the gun before he even turned around. He stopped fleeing, dropped the gun, turned around, and had his empty hands raised, and then was shot.

He had a gun in his hand and was dropping it as the cop shot him.

Nope. He'd already dropped it, turned around, and raised his hands. THEN the cop shot him. It's all right there in the video you posted.

Which hand is the gun in?

That's after the cop shot. It happens really fast. He had just tossed the gun which the cop likely didn't see and proceeded to do exactly as he was trained to do, defend himself.

Are you fucking kidding me?

TAC - Resistance Response Simulator Training (county.org)

step up the plate and try it MAOHS or anyone else who thinks they might have handled it any differently. That 800 milliseconds goes by quicker than you might think. Just my 2 cents.

easy to figure out when you have all day to look at the picture. Now try it in real life in real time. I can hear your asshole pucker already.

.8 seconds is a second. I've had gunfighting training. I'm confident that I would be able to hold fire 1 second after the threat had ended. Especially when no one was being aggressive toward me in the first place.

You're making a lot of assumptions about me.

They were pursuing shots fired.

I'm aware.

So in that training scenario, if a kid turned around unarmed with his hands up, and the trainee fired anyway, would said trainee have passed or failed? Because in all of my training, empty hands means "no shoot".

You’re talking to the guy who showers with an assault rifle. Might wanna check your smug.

Battle Rifle.

Famous last words! BTW the kid had just discharged a weapon - that's why the cops were there. But he took off with a weapon in his hand. He could have put up his hands right there when the cops showed up - he chose not to. And wouldn't you know it the kid was likely being recruited for (or already associated with) the Latin Kings gang. Yes, the gang that had been taking random shots at cop cars in the neighborhood. But it's all good! If you wanted to risk finishing your cop career in a body bag that would be your prerogative.

Fucking avatar.