Well, then those writers/directors had really better be on their a-game.... ...or Iron Man 3 had better be well timed, cuz for sure, Robert Downey could recover a fumble.
Supposed release schedule, from Wikipedia, is: Iron Man 3 - May 2013 Thor 2 - Nov 2013 Cap 2 - Apr 2014 Avengers 2 - no release date yet My guess would be May 2015 for Avengers 2, 'cause it's far more suited for a Summer blockbuster than a Holidays release. So that'd be 5 films over 3 years--not too much saturation, IMO.
I reeeally don't think after the cosmic success of Avengers, they'd not do Avengers 2 even if IM3, Cap2, and Thor2, all bombed, which is statisticaly impossible.
I think there's so much money at stake here, that the chances of ANY of them being an outright bomb is slim. They're not kicking a dead horse, here; the Marvel movies (especially Iron Man and the Avengers) have shown that there is huge pent-up demand for quality superhero movies.
Well, here's the box-office performance of all of 'em so far.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe#Box_office_performance And right under that is critic reaction... In both, weakest was Hulk, and even that did pretty damned good. So...they'd have to crank one out Ishtar/Showgirls/Battlefield Earth level bad to hurt the franchise. IM3 is pretty much guaranteed to rock, Hulk ain't getting a sequel (in the immediate future, anyway) so, it comes down to Cap & Thor.
Iron Man 3 seems certain to rock; Cap and Thor are the ones I'd worry about most. Thor was quite good, but it's the weakest of the single movies and the hardest one to get right "tone-wise" (IMHO) and Captain America, though a terrific film, might not work as well separated from its World War II origins. But, in any event, they'll all be in the pipeline at the same time. Thor 2 tanking won't stop Captain America 2, and either one tanking won't stop Avengers 2.
I actually disliked IM2 the most of all of the recent round of movies. I thought the Hulk was better, and would have put Captain America at the top. Iron Man 2 wasn't bad, but it wasn't one of the upper tier movies.
You make CA II all about Cap vs Hydra, toss in the Red Skull and Baron Strucker, and you've by-God got a movie!
Yep. And we'll see the Winter Soldier/Bucky as well, I'd bet my last dollar. Edit: Actually, it will probably be AIM - they are a Hydra spin off, and might mask the 'bad guy' until later in the movie. The problem with Cap is he doesn't really have a very good rogues gallery. The Nazi guys are good - Red Skull, Baron Strucker, Baron Zemo. Skull's minions are pretty good too, Arnim Zola and Crossbones among others. But other than that, no one of consequence in the Marvel universe. Batroc the Leaper? LOL. And Nazis just aren't that relevant any more. You can't go to that well that often in 2012, like you could in the 60s.
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Bring on Thor II !! As for Cap, a movie done split timeline could work- set part of it (maybe in flashback) in the WWII milieu and then have the villain(s) resurface in modern times for Cap to have to deal with again. Red Skull seems like he could work this way, although maybe as a 'reveal' in the modern part of the movie and not so much the WWII part. Oh, and bring on Thor II !!
Random reactions to the recent posts... *of the planned movies, I'd guess Thor II would be most likely to be"just ok" atthe box office, but might well be a better movie than the first one *As for how to do CA II, i could see them creating a new villain or reworking a existing lesser villain...but what Cap needs, IMO, is a Ras Al Ghul type. And yes, given the current economic chaos in Europe you might well do a Neo-nazi type angle (I've read reports that there's a growing political movement in Greece that is essentially re-packaged Nazis) *I, for one, think that the fall of 2014 would be a good time for a lower profile Black Widow or Nick Fury movie (which would in any case significantly feature Fury, Widow, and Hawkeye) that would serve to largely set up the Premise for A2 and give those three a chance to shine in a way they don't get next to the metas. *I'd like the idea of a Hulk movie but it would have to be very carefully done. the whole "fighting off the misguided army" bit is played out.
The setup in the last one pretty much says it has to be The Leader. Maybe Hulk and Doc Samson vs. Abomination and Leader.
My dream movies, and they'll never happen are... "Hulk /Thing: The Big Change", a graphic novel by Berni Wrightson in the 80's that's an absolute hoot, and has a "Men In Black", sort of sense of humor to it, it'd be a natural for a movie. Instant box-office boffo. ...but Fox are beeing assholes, sitting on the rights to the Fantastic Four characters, so the Avengers-verse characters can never team up with them. "Doomquest", Iron Man and Dr. Doom get time-warped back to King Arthur's court, where IM sides with Arthur, Doom sides with Morgana, and hi-jinks ensue, escalating to a war with living skeletons decades before "Army Of Darkness", stole this plot. It ends with IM and Doom working together, and cannibalizing their suits to make the time machine home. Like the IM movies, it's the character dialogue that sells this story. But...again...Doom is FF-verse, and Fox is sitting on him.
Green Lantern underperformed, sure, but it certainly wasn't a bomb (a la John Carter). It's low box office didn't impact the decisions to go ahead with The Dark Knight Rises or Man of Steel. In fact, I think there still may be a Green Lantern sequel. NOTHING outside of the apocalypse is going to stop Avengers 2. And, like I said, the other films are going to be in the pipeline at the same time. Even if, say, Thor 2 were to bomb, Captain America 2 will already be in production. I'm not very worried about Iron Man; that franchise is, by all accounts, still riding high. So, any forthcoming bombs may affect what we'll get after it, but you can take it to the bank that there WILL be an Avengers 2.
Right, but how deep into the Cap Rogues Gallery are they likely to go? I would assume any second movie will have Skull, Strucker, Zemo, Viper or some sort of combination of the above. No need to debut such also-rans as Flagsmasher and Machinesmith. Well even in the first Cap movie, they made it so it was more coincidence that had Red Skull be a Nazi. He was planning on blowing up Berlin and had no real allegiance to the 3rd Reich. I could also see something where Cap fights a terror plot of some sort.
I would definitely love to see a SHIELD movie with Fury, Widow, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, and other random agents. The premise for A2 has already been set up in the scene toward the end. The inclusion of Mark Ruffalo as the new Banner more or less says to me that they are going to pretend the Ed Norton and Eric Bana movies never happened. Maybe they will do the same with the Ben Affleck Daredevil movie. I remember the Doomquest story but figure that all is a bit much to swallow for average person. Besides, it is long past time that they bring on the Mandarin in terms of IM movies. Very few movies, period, are John Carter-level bombs. Which is unfortunate. I enjoyed Taylor Kitsch's work and figure studios will not be eager to give him a lead movie role any time soon. Batman and Superman are proven commodities that DC knows will draw respectable audiences pretty much no matter what. But DC has never gone very deep in their catalog for live action movies, and most of them not starring Batman or Superman have been bombs, critically and financially. There's GL, Watchmen, Catwoman, V for Vendetta, Swamp Thing and Steel. They don't even seem able to get a Wonder Woman movie off the ground, one of their most recognizable characters. And if I remember correctly, they had Whedon on board to do one, but kicked him to the curb. Who's laughing now, DC? Whereas Marvel has been able to churn out movies that have at least been moderately financially/critically successful with lesser properties like Blade.
Rumors are the studio has sorted out the permits to film in China, so...if true, it sounds like a go on Mandarin.
Word came out today that they are adding 30 minutes of footage to the DVD/Blu-Ray release this September. Which means we now get a 3-Hour Avengers. Ain't it cool also mentioned that the 3-hour version might get a theatrical release before the DVD comes out.
I'd taken that as setting up the bad guy for Thor 2 initially, especially as Loki has a price to pay to both the Asgardians and The Other. Plus in terms of power levels, you'll need Asgardian-level heroes to tackle someone that powerful, and Thor 2 would be the place for that imo. A2 could see a core of Thor, Loki, Sif, Hulk and Drax, backed up by Captain America and Iron Man, for example. And having the Avengers as a liquid team, where Fury selects the tools for the job, offers a good way for Marvel to create further franchises. I'd be surprised if the new Spiderman doesn't roll into Marvels current cinemaverse too.
Thor hasn't gone one-on-one with the spoiled bad guy, as far as I recall. He is a classic Avengers villain. So I don't see any possibility that he is the villain for Thor 2. I don't see why they would bring Loki back as a villain for a second Avengers movie. He's already been the villain in Thor 1, and presumably will show up on some level in Thor 2. I love Tom Huddleston as much as the next guy, but I don't think he needs to be the villain in that many movies. Not when both the Avengers (Kang, Ultron, Kree/Skrull, Masters of Evil, etc.) and Thor (Surtur, the Dark Elves, the trolls, Absorbing Man, etc.) have rogues galleries that haven't been explored all that much. Drax? As a fairly longtime fan, I only have the barest inkling of him, and as far as I know he's not that interesting a character either in his personality or powers. Can't see why someone would want to throw him in the mix. Yeah, I look forward to the rights situation for Marvel characters becoming untangled so there can be more continuity and cross-overs (and reboots of underwhelming movies like FF and Daredevil that just deserved better.) However, I can't say I'm in any rush for Spidey to play a role in Avengers 2, 3 or whatever. Even assuming the new one will be at least as good as Tobey Maguire. I still regard it somewhat a miracle that Whedon balanced the personalities in A1 as well as he did. Adding one more over-the-top guy to the mix might be asking a little too much. Especially when RDJr. already has the wise-cracking role pretty well sewn up.
Marvel would love to have control of Spiderman back, but Sony have a pretty tight grip on the movie rights and would probably demand a massive take for Spiderman to be used.
