The implosion of the Democratic Party thread

Then eat shit.

Trump also couldn't get infrastructure spending through. And Trump's supreme court victory was far more due to McConnell than anything he did. He was a rubber stamp.

As to Biden not being able to get anything through, Dems lost lots of House and a few Senate seats that were thought to be theirs for the taking.

And we will see infrastructure get passed eventually IMO - right before midterms. Manchin isn't going to let it happen before that, because until then he is co-president. He won't give away the goose that lays the golden egg.

Let me cut to the chase @Demiurge, you present a lot of conservative and moderate views. You are not progressive. This is why you get opposition from progs. It is like when @Federal Farmer and @Uncle Albert try to claim they are not trump supporters. You can say it, but it does not make it true. You use the word progressive to pretend you are on their side while trying to undermine their views. It is a common argument tactic, and I would imagine the intellectual dishonesty tends to piss people off because they can easily tell you are a moderate. Just own your shit.

CRT was not lumped onto youngkin by the left. It was put into his mouth by the right. How much effect it had in between federal elections while the moderates were turned off by progressive victories in the state I do not know. This idea that people were going to show up for the dems in between 2000 and 2022 like they did in 2000 seems like it was not going to happen without some major excitement or fear on the part of the dems. My thought is the mods wanted to step in the way of a more progressive agenda by creating gridlock between the legislation and the governor. It has always been a moderate view that differing parties in the executive and the legislation prevents radical changes by keeping both parties fighting.

The reps are much more reliable for showing up on off years for a number of reasons. I also have a feeling moderate dems were completely turned off because they do not want progressive values, especially in VA. VA is a big state that is mostly red farmland. You cannot tell me that the blue DC area dominates the red conservative areas of VA. The moderate middle of VA put the breaks on the progressive agenda because they do not want it.

I would argue they should have for a larger victory. People forget Bernie dropped his run because of COVID and not because Biden. I think that a person with momentum to vote for him would have crushed Twitler because you were going to get the moderate vote who was afraid of Trump. The anti-trump vote was a given, but Biden was a dead sock. No one voted for Biden, they all voted against Trump. Could you imagine if there was somkeone who had a base fired up instead of someone who poured cold water on a fired up base like Joe? The idea Bernie would have brought out the republican base more than they did for Trump was insane and completely wrong. Trump did fire up his base who showed up for him in 2020. You could not squeeze more blood from his people. They could not have blasted Biden as a communist any more than they could have blasted Bernie. The idea they could not call Biden a socialist tyrant because he was mostly a republican stooge was a blatant lie.

The dems would not run Bernie because he would have fought their corruption along with the republicans. The Dems had to show their true republican corporate colors to stop Bernie, and do not be surprised when the progs do not forget it.

You know why I vote in elections even though I know the candidate I prefer isn't going to win? Because by doing so, I encourage other people with the same beliefs (or better beliefs) to run in the next election.

Unfortunately I had to work and the polls closed by the time I got off. Besides, I’ll likely never see a libertarian candidate win.

Even my shitty state has laws that say an employer has to let you have paid time off to vote.

Certainly true with that attitude. If something is important, I just follow what Apollo 16 astronaut Ken Mattingly said about the program:

Nah, both are symptoms of an electoral system that couldn't be designed better to exactly deliver both of them. Plurality-winner elections gives you the disengagement, primaries give you the extremists. Nothing is going to get better without fixing the electoral system.

Your teachers are doing you and the rest of your class a disservice, if that's the case.

Plenty of teachers are republican racist tools willing to lie.

I would hope @Federal Farmer would show us proof in the form of a listing of available grade school classes that includes critical race theory or perhaps a syllabus for a grade school CRT class. Some lying ass trumpanzee teachers who claim masks are choking them and vaccines are killing us are not the type anyone should be taking seriously with their claims. That is unless you are a liar who voted for trump like FF.

I remember being in high school and choosing courses to take. If there was a CRT course available in state run high school there would be a syllabus, a class selection catalog, and some report cards which clearly list it and can be verified. The reason why the lying ass right cannot produce a single one of them from a public grade school is there is no class. If it existed in any public grade school we would have evidence of it aside from some one of FF's supposed friends or teachers from a school he does not attend (according to his lies).

Except the people building roads and bridges need people to watch their kids for when their spouses are at work. The engineers designing the roads are gonna need schooling beyond K-12 and free community college would help a lot of folks that got squeezed outta a 4 year program.

People screaming about tHe pRiCe TaG are missing the entire big picture. Most of them deliberately so.

I love how Repubs, and diet-Republican "corporate Dems" are crying about the 3.5 trillion for Biden's infrastructure plan, and none of these cocksuckers batted an eye flushing 3 trillion down the toilet of a middle-east war.

How dead inside do you have to be to not feel suicidal shame at that much hypocrisy?

The Democrats are a clearly centrist party, with occasional liberal ideas. The bigger problem is that the parties seem more interested in holding onto power than doing the right thing.

I agree, but why is it that no one outside the party sees it that way? Dems have a perception and messaging problem where they allow the most extreme 15% to define them, especially on cultural issues.

Dems passed bills in the House back in March to help protect labor's right to organize and strike.

It didn't get through the Senate because that would require breaking the filibuster, and we all know the roadblock there.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/09/9752...-that-would-protect-worker-organizing-efforts

I agree completely, sorry if that wasn't clear.

What are you talking about?

I think he means as perceived by others. The average Republican knows about CRT because of the media, but doesn't know about more mainstream/center Democratic platform planks.

Also,thought this thread was interesting.

You can call the Democrats a dysfunctional mess, but remember that dysfunction is largely caused by one Senator who is reversing many of the policy positions she ran on. The corporate media seems to think the answer is to give in to all of Sinema’s incoherent demands. I think the answer is to tell her to piss up a rope. The people of Arizona are getting royally screwed.

FOX News tells him that The Squad and their purple haired transgender Muslim CRT furry Kenyan buddies control the party unopposed, and he believes it?

(There have seriously been days where every other media outlet is reporting on how Manchin and Sinema are blocking this or that, but the main story on FOX is about something Ilhan Omar or AOC tweeted months earlier as though that's relevant to the current negotiations.)

The average republican watches fox. They are unreachable. Unless we use histrionics and resort to propaganda. We're doomed.

There is another...

Maybe at the national level, but there’s more to the party than its Congresscritters. And people don’t like what they see at the state and local levels either. San Francisco hasn’t had a Republican on the Board of Supervisors since the 70s or a Republican Mayor since the 50s, and calling it dysfunctional would insult the platonic ideal of dysfunction. Plenty of other cities are just as bad, and there’s a fair number of state legislatures that fare little better. People see that and don’t want it. This isn’t something that goes away if Senate Dems all start voting in lockstep with Chuck Schumer.

I don't watch Fox News, but your propensity to repeatedly miss, ignore, or mischaracterize the nuance in my posts is remarkable.

And yet so many of your right-leaning opinions are suspiciously similar.