The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial is a hero

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  1. Jenee

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    In a rural area, perhaps. But, in reality, this area is pretty densely packed both in population and business, houses, etc. It's not as close as you might think.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Which is exactly what I said. One can drive between Antioch and Kenosha, and the distance where one is not in one nor in the other can be about 8 miles.

    CD posted the actual driving distance, and it's about 18 miles.
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    I am closer than 18 miles and I wasn't there.

    My son is even closer than I am and he wasn't there.

    Literally thousands of poeple are closer than Rittenhouse and they were not there. Rittenhouse was there to cause trouble. Period. Attempt to pretty it up all you want. But, he had no business being there.
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    Other people don't have to clear their movements in public with you. He had every right to be there, and he was there for the purpose of protecting people and property from rioters.

    And Rosenbaum wasn't there to cause trouble, right?
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    Rosenbaum, from what I can tell from the video, definitely was there to cause trouble.

    And, no, no one has to clear their movements with me. However, there definitely was a curfew in affect that night. No one asked Rittenhouse to help protect them or their business. His only purpose for being there was exactly the same as Rosenbaum's.
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    Distance changes with density?

    CD posted the drive time. They're close.
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    Rosenbaum is on video being belligerent, KR is not.
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    You are certainly arguing intensely that this is right in Rittenhouse's backyard. It's not. Why do you push so hard to excuse this murderer's behavior?
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    laughing my fucking ass off.

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    He's carrying an assault weapon in a suburb during a protest on a night that the curfew has long since gone into effect.

    That's the very fucking definition of "belligerent" and looking for trouble.
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    I have made my statements about why I think Kyle will get off on the murder charges. I am done arguing over that because it is just an explanation of much deeper problems that led up to it.

    What I really want people to realize are a few things I will list:

    We have to restrict guns. I am not saying no guns, but america needs to step up the regulation and policing of guns.

    We need more cameras and better views of events like this to show the problems that are happening in public spaces.

    We need to start treating people of color like we treat white people. Kyle would have been a much different person if he wasn't raised that way and surrounded by those people.

    The police have got to get their act together and that means arresting people like the proud boys who come to do domestic terrorism. If they were actually locking up both sides for this violence the calm middle would win. Kyle and all his proud boy friends should be in jail for rioting along with the guys who chased him down.
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    I've finally had a chance to watch this video and I'm curious as to why you chose to characterize Mr. Rosenbaum as a "hyper violent antagonizer." He chased KR and hit him with a plastic bag. Does it seem reasonable to respond with deadly force? Someone else apparently fires a gun into the air and that causes KR to panic and he kills Rosenbaum.

    Just the worst in a string of terrible decisions made by KR that night. He was untrained, immature and lacked the resources to be be in that situation that night. All I know for sure is that Kyle's Mom is a Bitch.

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    There are some other videos that are out there of rosenbaum being aggressive. Kyle was not the only one there for a fight.

    I really care so little and feel dirty defending kyle. I am not his lawyer. The kid is awful, his parents are awful, his gang is awful. I just don't want people feeling bad for those who were shot because they were really fucking around and running him down. They were the rioters on the other side and the actual protestors who had something real to say were not in this white gang war.
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    It's literally less distance than I commute every morning. Why do you push so hard to brand the kid a murderer?
    He's not threatening anyone. And Rittenhouse is trying to run away while Rosenbaum is chasing him. Hardly someone looking for violence.
    An angry, belligerent person is chasing you. Would you feel threatened? How about if they make a grab for your weapon?
    Panic or split-second decision?

    Rosenbaum--who was belligerent, made threats, and chased Rottenhouse--had the misfortune of looking like a violent attacker.
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    So Rittenhouse who had to get a ride from one place to another (a little more than walking distance) who was a civilian with no law enforcement training was just an innocent victim for deliberately putting himself in the middle of a riot and should get a free pass?
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    I guess I'm still curious as to why the crowd was after KR in the first place. It's unlikely that the crowd noticed him with an AR-15 strapped to his shoulder and decided to "get him." Why did the crowd go after him in the first place?
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    Rosenbaum did a couple of things I liked. He caught those bullets like a champ and made sure a decent person did not get shot. Yeah, I said it. He also seems to have wrecked up Kyle's life, and I hope it is a shitty one because Kyle is a POS. I may think it was self defense, but it was defending a POS.
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    They seemed to be fucking around and found out. Whatever the fuck that means.

    At least no decent people died.
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    They were trying to stop him from fleeing after he shot and killed Rosenbaum.
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    Write up all the bullshit arguments you like. It's not going to put the scene of the crime in Rittenhouse's "backyard" so to speak. And, Rosenbaum would not have been harrassing him if he he hadn't been there.

    Are you suggesting that if you had been there, with an AR-15, and some belligerent asshole starts harassing you, you would have shot him? Please, say yes. Because I cannot think of any better argument against the general public having access to assault weapons.
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    I mean why was Rosenbaum and crowd with him chasing KR? They seemed to be chasing him from the start of the Rosenbaum video @Tererun posted...
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    Thought I heard on the radio one morning this week that the defense had given up on the self defense tactic.
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    So the lesson learned is don't engage someone with an AR unless you've got your own, and good cover.
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  24. Jenee

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    I don't think they were chasing him at that point, just harassing him. I could be wrong though. But, if Rosenbaum started harassing the kid for carrying an assault weapon, mob rule tends to take over many people and they all could have ended up harassing the kid.

    Hell, same thing happens here on WF. One person makes some seemingly inconsequential statement, another person takes offense, and then it's an all out pile on.
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    If I lived on the California half of the city of Verdi and get stopped with weed in the Nevada half of that town, "I bought it in California" isn't gonna keep my ass out of jail. :brood:

    As Jenee said, 8 miles is no insignificant distance
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    Because they perceived him interfering with their violent, destructive riot.
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    Exactly.

    But, we all know people like Paladin only like the law when it benefits or fits into their beliefs. When it doesn't, "it's only 8 miles" and the kid can be wherever he wants to be.
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    Don't bring your dramatic "feelings" into this.
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    It's a fact
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    Only in your head.
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