Third review of 'Climategate' says no conspiracy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/jul/07/hacked-climate-science-emails-climate-change

Yet another cover-up clears the evil climate change scientists!

The bastards!

Yes yes.....

We all accept the fox's report on how the chickens broke out of the coop in a bid for freedom.

Well this proves Global Warming is man made.

Okay, this article is meaningless because the issue isn't one of science anymore, it's all about politics now.

Trust us... Really...

The claims against climate scientists are a classic example of non-falsifiability. Anyone who states that there is no conspiracy is held to just be another part of the cover-up.

It's all a bit like the UFO enthusiasts.

^ your point?

Except that there really are space aliens abducting innocent citizens.

Arrogance can ruin anyone's reputation. Once lost, it's awfully hard to regain. I'm not saying that everything's perfect with their work. I haven't reviewed the data that was destroyed. What I am reiterating is that the people looking into it found that they seemed to be hiding stuff. For scientists, who have to be seen to be above that sort of thing, that's critical.

Ok, no conspiracy. Just group think and an institutional hostility to anyone not toeing the party line. I don't know how anyone could trust the conclusions of those jokers after seeing those emails.

Looks like they're "happy-to-glad"-ing it. "We found them to be honest, just not open." So in other words, if you get your heads together and figure out what things you can't tell people because it undermines your case--and then you delete all that material and don't tell anyone you deleted it; technically you haven't told any lies.

That is a very Clintonian view of "honesty."

It's an idiot's view of honesty.

Clinton... Used car salesman... It's all the same. Even when they tell the truth. You just know in your gut they're going to be giving you the shaft somewhere along the line. Hardly the kind of warm fuzzies you want from science.

while I don't buy into the "UFO conspiracy" thing - it is also true that just because what you say is correct (and also, by the way, applies to various arguments about religion, evolution, abortion, etc - people on both sides of most any controversial debate engage in this sort of behavior as a matter of course) does not, by itself, prove that the charge of a cover-up is untrue.

it is possible for AGW skeptics to commit that fallacy and at the same time it still be true that, in fact, there is a cover-up afoot.

.?, no, I haven't. Or sure I have.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said.

The thought being presented was stupid. It is not logical.

It is the thought of an idiot.

It's amazing how many WFers have never, ever said anything nasty about a coworker, had a coworker say something nasty about them, or even overheard one coworker say something nasty about another.

Oh well.

That's what it means to live in an evidence based world, can't prove it, gotta let it go.


Same with the UFOs, "what if they're out there?!?!? What if they're being covered up!?!? What if they're all in on it??!?! What if they're all out to get me!?!?! ".

Oh well.
Paranoia won't save you then.
Fuck it.


"Climategate", wasn't proven, so as far as I'm concerned it's bullshit, and apologies are owed, but I ain't holding my breath.

Fuck the gut, the gut lies, get evidence.

Uh huh, and what could ever falsify that "distrust"?

Is it in your gut?

Wrong thread, Precious. The General McChrystal thread is over there --->

See, this is the flaw in faith-based rationalizations. When you run out of facts, create a diversion, a.k.a. the Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain syndrome.

So tell me, every place you've ever worked, all the employees get along, no one ever sends nasty emails? Just one big happy Borg collective?

No, not quite Borg...

And then destroy it so nobody can check your work. And then slam your opponents for daring to question your credentials as a scientist...

Yeah... Galileo would love you.

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