Time to establish equality in roads?

I sure as shit don't want you living next to me, but I shouldn't have to pay for the extra roads and utility connections that allow you to live somewhere else comfortably.

Albertville isn't on I-88. You have to take US 42 west, SR86 till it deadends, then walk until dawn.

That's 60+ miles off the interstate.

Electricity and internet is down the road apiece but you have to shinny up the polls.

So like I said, toll roads.

And like Lanz said, those tolls may only be spent ON those roads. Set your rates accordingly.

The only US 42 I can find in google maps is between Columbus and Cincinnati OH. and I-88 is west of that.

Why should cities subsidize their choices?

So all roads should be toll roads? Or just highways and freeways? I once lived on a short road (about 320 feet) in a suburban area with only three other houses on that road. Your position is that we should have had to pay to get onto that short road? How much?

All. To me it seems the fairest way.

Toll roads are total commie bullshit

you didn't ask the right question.

No, but a toll road should use every cent collected to maintain/improve that road. Toll roads should not be for-profit enterprises. A surprising number of toll roads in the US are actually run/administered by private companies, and they extract profit from what should literally be pay-as-you-go.

Sorry, I added this part right as you replied:

I once lived on a short road (about 320 feet) in a suburban area with only three other houses on that road. Your position is that we should have had to pay to get onto that short road? How much?

And to further add: how is this enforced? Is there a gate at every intersection?

why should the government be trusted with your tolls?

You use the road, you pay for the road. At a rate that adds up to the cost of maintaining it.

silly, it's owned by the 3 houses. you have to form a small government to fund the road.

There are even shorter roads near where I currently live. There's a cul de sac around the corner from me that's only about 150 feet long. So the residents should have to pay to access their homes?

Who are you to tell a private business what it can and can't do or should or should not do with it's profits?

um, they do. it's called property taxes.

ETA: renters have to levitate.

How? Is there a gate at every intersection? Or is there a camera at every intersection and you get billed later? Do you pay based on how far you travel along the road? Or do you pay the same price for driving 1 mile along an 8 mile road as you would for driving the full length? And again, how is that enforced or monitored?

To what degree are transportation taxes not used to fund improvements to transportation already?

And if toll roads aren't for profit, where is the incentive to actually improve the road?

Then you'll have to factor in administrative costs - to maintain the gates or cameras. and ..., how would those costs be equally distributed? Do you take the entire cost of buying .. tar(?) or concrete at a national level and divide that across all roads in the US? Or how much would it cost to pave that stretch of road and how much would be the cost to build and maintain that road?

Seems to me, the cost and whatever mental gymnastics to attempt to come to a fair and equitable cost would be monumentally more than just taking it out in taxes as it exists.

They make lamp shades out of the skin on their asses and sell them at roadside bazaars.

Or else it is factored into the purchase price of the house. There must be some way that only people using it will pay for it.

they're public roads, not gated communities.

Because roads are different from health care and food and housing and utilities because...

So let them be dirt wagon ruts until the locals pass the hat around. They'll figure it out, or they won't.

That's gonna vary by jurisdiction, but as I understand it, "transportation" taxes usually wind up dumped into the general fund and used to pay for whatever needs paying for, instead of being used exclusively for the transportation stuff. I suspect that's part of the reason for the "crumbling infrastructure" problem. Taxes that are ostensibly being collected to maintain that bridge over there are instead being used to build a new parking lot at the town hall, shit like that.

The toll would in theory be high enough to allow for that, given that that's how it was sold to the public.

That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It would require an enormous bureaucracy to manage, introduce vast ineffeciencies and leave a not insubstantial portion of the population stranded and isolated.

Oh, horse shit. Just because you worship nightmarish central authority does not make it the only way.

Why? You think a nightmarish central authority is what would govern a UHC.

Why would maintaining roads be different than maintaining a UHC?

This is literally what lots of people do on private roads. They don't gate them, but the people who live on the road negotiate with each other how much they all owe to upkeep, then find someone to do any work. For my parents, one neighbor plowed in the winter, and my dad graded the gravel. I think both were paid in beer.