Time to establish equality in roads?

You're right. Exactly the same.

It saves me at least an hour driving

I'm just trying to understand the difference. Not just you. I've heard other people say similar stuff. I just don't understand why they are sure a general bucket fund is good for one, but not the other.

Well, I could choose not to fucking drive, for one thing.

You're still paying into the fund through taxes. That's the same as the UHC.

But, if all costs are at the time of use, then the cost would be astronomical once you take into account all the administrative costs that would be associated with it the same as for profit insurance does.

What you're proposing is far less practical than the current setup. If you truly mean all roads should be toll roads, there would need to be checkpoints of some sort at every road entrance or intersection, whether that be a gate, camera, or some sort of way to identify a car by license plate/VIN. Drivers would either have to pay at the point of entrance/exit, which would turn a normal 10 minute drive into an hourlong (or more) hellish nightmare of stopping every few hundred feet. Or if it's cameras/scanners of some sort, suddenly you have surveillance on every single block every single road, and a system that needs to manage all of that and bill people for it. The price to access a road would skyrocket compared to the taxes people already pay. Not to mention the cost of goods you already pay for privately will also skyrocket, because those need to be delivered via thrse toll roads.

In other words, you've proposed something that only exists in libertarian wetdreams, and would be in reality a byzantine system to manage and would result in everyone paying more than what they already pay in taxes. Almost like our current health insurance setup...

If all roads are toll roads... nearly every car has some sort of GPS in it these days, because nearly every person carries a phone. It wouldn't be too difficult to get some kind of GPS in to the few vehicles that don't have one, and then it would be easy to tell which roads a specific vehicle uses and how much. If some basic things are known about a given vehicle, like it's weight, it shouldn't be to difficult to figure out how much wear and tear a specific vehicle contributes to specific lengths of road, and charge them their fair share.

On second thought, that sounds like communism and there's got to be a way to shift most of the burden onto the poor and middle class.

I'm sure Uncle Albert would not hesitate to let the government install a GPS in his 20+ year old Jeep if it meant every road would be a toll road.

Such as someone else who wants to live there?

How about have a computer somewhere flag up when the GPS shows someone is speeding?

Regardless of how much you strain yourself to assert it, there's a reason it's not already so - since the fuckers would privatise their own farts if they possibly could. Practicality and effeciency matters, and having to add multiple layers of additional infrastructure just isn't worth it.

What you're describing is basically something called micropayments and it would go a long way toward balancing out a lot of things. Imagine if, for example, instead of a fixed monthly fee for internet service you paid based on how many bytes of data went thru your connection every month? Most of your utility bills already work like this, sort of. Imagine if someone who drives their car only two or three times per month paid their "road tax" like this, being charged maybe a couple bucks, while another person who makes a daily commute of fifty miles each way pays much much more. Current tech allows for a lot of things to be paid for in this manner, tho cable tv companies still don't seem to be able to figure out a la carte service. Not to mention that if all services were paid for this way, it would be amazingly simple to figure out which services were actually in high demand and which ones have been coasting on monthly fees. Stuff like that.

I'd kinda prefer people to privatize their farts, myself.

Maybe your area is different, but in most studies I've seen the amount spent on roads far exceeds that collected from fuel tax and vehicle registration fees.

You have to understand, Lanz lives off the government's teat very handsomely, so he assumes the money put in far exceeds the money that he receives.

Hey, they can want whatever they want ... just as long as they don't ask anyone else to pay for it!

Right?

California, Illinois, and Ohio are the three largest states that don't divert gas tax revenues to other projects, and at least CA diverts lots of vehicle registration and license fees to public transit, CHP, HSR, and DMV operations. https://reason.org/policy-brief/how-much-gas-tax-money-states-divert-away-from-roads/

Sounds like a million toll roads would just absolutely fix all that.

And by fix I mean destroy.

I believe I have been clear on that, fucknuts.

Nothing in that link seems to disagree with states spending more on roads than they receive in revenue from gasoline taxes and vehicle registration.

Unless those examples given in the page don't also receive funding from other revenue like income tax? Certainly seems like convoluted bookkeeping though.

Welcome to the wonderful world of gubbermint accounting. But hey, let's let them take more of our money and give them even more power. What could go wrong?

Are you suggesting government employees are lazy and incapable of doing their jobs?

No, seriously. No facepalms. Just straight up answer. Are you a lazy, negligent, government employee?

You have an . . . interesting . . . definition of "success."

No, you fucking moron, I'm "suggesting" that government accounting is byzantine to the point of fraud, waste, and abuse.

So, not *all* government employees. Just *those* government employees ... got it. .. the cognitive dissonance in some people ....

Sweet baby Jeebus, when am I going to learn not to respond to you? You are such an idiot . . .

You said it, not me. If you can't justify it, don't blame me.

Especially when conservatives do their best to make/keep it that way just to help their talking points. It's almost as frustrating as when conservatives destroy balanced budgets by passing "revenue neutral" tax cuts that significantly reduce revenues while doing nothing to help the economy, then insist on budget cuts to tackle the deficit they just created on purpose.

Not sure about the rest, but in CA no, only gas taxes and some VLF/VRF fees go to roads.