Trouble in America

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  1. tafkats

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    Then how about multiple scientific studies?

    This one found that "across a range of different stimuli and dependent variables, perceivers showed a consistent and strong bias to perceive young Black men as larger and more capable of harm than young White men (at least among non-Black participants)."

    This one showed white participants becoming immediately more alert when presented with Black faces; the summary also links to several more studies about implicit bias that showed Black men in particular being more likely to get coded as "potential threat."

    This one tried to figure out why Black patients in a medical setting are less likely to have their reports of pain taken seriously, and found there is an extent to which Black people are perceived as feeling less pain than white people. The implications of this in a law enforcement setting should be obvious (you're going to react differently if you subconsciously think you're facing someone who's impervious to pain -- see Derek Chauvin and the myth of the Supernegro).
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  3. Steal Your Face

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    More proof that we should always wait for the full story to unfold before jumping to conclusions. See Jussie Smollett and Bubba Wallace for previous proof.
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    The mayor asked "how did we get here?" and I can't help but agree with him. It's a good question to ask not just in this situation, but in everything we're seeing around the country. When did we get here? The truth is that in some form or fashion we've always been here, but people are waking up to it. Some are becoming more numb, others are becoming more resistant. There really are two Americas (likely many more but two are most clear). A house divided against itself cannot stand.
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    Yep.

    "How did we get here", to a place where police officers needed to be summoned because girls were having a knife fight over who was supposed to do some house cleaning. That's a pretty messed up place to be.
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  6. Nyx

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    It is a pretty messed up place to be.
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    yep, two are very clear: law abiding and law breaking.
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    And what do you suppose would be the deciding factor here? What do you suppose pushed one girl so far over the edge that she pulled a knife on a foster sibling?
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    Jenee feels compassion for someone who's killed for being a threat to a woman's life, that's a new one
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    Jenee feels compassion for all children - even teenagers.

    I'm a firm believer in the adage "children only know what they are taught". Teach a child violence, and they will learn violence.

    Teen years are especially important. This is when they are learning to be adults. If a child is angry about something (abuse, fear, whatever) that is what will be carried into adulthood.

    It sounds like this foster parent was doing a great job, but this one time, things got out of control. If that girl had been allowed to live, if there had been a better way to subdue her, she may have continued to work through her anger issues and become a responsible adult.

    I don't know how, why, where, that should be a bad thing.
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    That's a pretty big red flag right there. :brood: So what does a cop have to do to get fired in Minneapolis? Oh shit that's right.....we just found out a few days ago. :no:
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    lack of impulse control would be my guess.
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    shit like that happens all the time in cities & towns all across America. If you have something like The Jail Report it covers all the local crimes and the things people do will astound & amaze you. Just when you think people can't get crazier, they kick it up a notch.
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    Maybe we just need assholes to stop supporting other assholes when a newsstory breaks about another black man/woman/child was injured or murdered at the hands of police.
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    That is what happened. That isn't an answer to my question.
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    nobody but the girl who was attempting to stab another girl has that answer, and she isn't talking unless we break out the Ouija board. That guy in the video who was kicking a downed woman repeatedly in the head might have some inside information, but it's a moot point now.

    I do know that cop had about zero time to react! And he's lucky those bullets didn't go right through the stabber and into woman who was about to be stabbed - that's always a possibility.
    And for those dumb fucks saying "shoot her in the leg or hand" that's almost guaranteeing collateral damage and it wouldn't have stopped the stabber. Her adrenaline was cranked up to eleven and any handgun round is a crapshoot when it comes to immediate stopping power. That cop did exactly what he needed to do at exactly the right time.
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    what the fuck does any of that have to do with ChostEcho's question? How did we get here. Stop responding to my posts as if you are providing any new information when all you're actually doing is posting just to be posting.
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    This was posted in a local FB group. The replies are interesting.

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  20. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    I think the question was mostly rhetorical.
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    Perhaps by GhostEcho. But, mine is a serious question. What does anyone think would cause a 15 year old human to want to harm another human to the point of death?

    Because that is always my default position - how did this child get from an innocent infant to a knife wielding angry teenager.

    That is why I have compassion for “someone who's killed for being a threat to a woman's life”
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    Personally, I have no idea. How do you think she got that way?
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    Considering she’s in Foster care still at age 15 tells me she was removed from her family post age 4 or 5. The older the child, the less likely to be adopted. Even when the child was placed in foster care as an infant, most are adopted by 5 unless there are serious issues.

    So, we have someone possibly in and out of foster care most of her life or her family life was so bad she was placed in foster care as an older child. Either way, she most likely has abandonment issues as well as anger issues.

    In other words, she would have needed a trained professional to deal with her. And cops barely get any training outside of how to aim and shoot people not raised in foster care.
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    Any mental health intervention would have had to happen long before the cops rolled up, because if a mental health expert had shown up instead of a cop, he or she would have just stood there and watched in horror as people got stabbed.
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    People have to be trained not to be killers. The reason children appear 'innocent' is our society takes care of their every need, at least in theory. They don't exhibit extreme survival intincts because they are almost never put in that position.

    Once they are, a large subsection of the population absolutely has what it takes to kill. We are intelligent animals. If the social imprinting fails, all bets are off.

    It appears in this case it was an argument over chores. She was willing to kill over an argument over chores.
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    Possibly. But, they definitely would have stood a better chance of reasoning with her than a cop with a gun.
    Is this a personal opinion or a theory? Cuz ..., anything outside of Christianity, I've not heard about children being born evil. I do not believe it. If you give birth, then abandon the child, it's not the child's fault they are required to adapt survival skills. That isn't because the child is evil, then it's just instinct - to eat. The desire to kill, just to kill, has nothing to do with survival skills. Nor does it have anything to do with child development. People who kill just to kill are a product of trauma. Or, sometimes are born psychopaths or sociopaths. But, not everyone is born a psychopath or sociopath.

    Speculation. It appears she was willing to kill over an argument over chores. But, because she is now dead, we don't know why she was willing to ... stab someone. It's even just speculation that she was trying to kill anyone. Wanting to harm someone and wanting to kill someone are two entirely different things.
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    What I'm saying is that there was no reasoning with to be done at that point.
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    It doesn't appear so in that video. But, I'm not trained to deal these sorts of situations, so I can't say what *may* have been.
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    It's absolutely clear that that's the case from the video. :wtf:
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    No, it's not. That's the problem with "appearances".