Trump doesn't have to be Hitler...

I don't want what you believe, I'm sorry. I want facts.

LOL doubtful.

You realize that all sorts of people from all walks of life created pro-Trump/Anti-Hillary memes throughout this election cycle? Attributing most of those to altright nationlists is pretty naive.

It seems you're consumed by the narrative that everyone who voted for Trump is racist maniac.

What are their distribution channels?

Telepathic signals projected throughout the field of human collective consciousness. How insidious!

You understand that "fact" has an actual meaning, don't you? I'll give you a hint: Just because you start a sentence with "fact," that doesn't make it a fact. Then you support your claim with reputable sources. That's how facts work.

what is this mystical illusion that Hitler was something unique. Sociopath megalomaniacs come along ever s often. The idea that "we can't call this guy Hitler" is a fallacy on it's face.

"Hitler" wasn't just about Adolph himself, it was about the way he and the Nazi's massaged events, media, prejudices, etc in order to bring an otherwise heinous ideology into power. Anyone not willing to critically consider the methodology that worked there and watch for it to appear again is ASKING for it to appear again. Better believe those folks studied it and learned how to apply it.

With every passing day there's another parallel between Nazi methodology and what's playing out here, including the legion of folks saying "oh it'll be fine, this is perfectly ordinary thing"- the MAJOR difference is that the Nazis promoted national socialism and apparently Trump's aim is kleptocracy for himself and Dominionism for Pence and his allies.

But it's not the ideology that makes it Nazi-like, but the methods.

because every member shows up at every conference...

I've never blamed Trump that they exist, I blame him for mobilizing and empowering them. And there's all kind of evidence he was doing so intentionally. Saying "He doesn't have to be Hitler..." means exactly that. I don't think that he IS from an ideological point of view. I do think that he knowingly and callously choose to employ Hitlers methodologies in order to obtain power and therefore profits. But part of the devils bargain he made in order to execute that maneuver was the empowering of every sort of bigotry.

I've said all year long, Trump is a short term problem - the forces he willfully unleashed in pursuit of his goal - both white supremacy and Dominionism - are a generational problem.

THIS sort of denial and "nothing to see here" pretense, the whole "give them a chance, they won't be THAT bad" mentality is EXACTLY the kind of thinking that did not put a stop to the Nazis coming to power in Germany and the exact mentality that turned a blind eye when they started hauling the Jews away. Denial. Denial that it could happen here, denial that a crisis was at hand, denial that I might have helped cause it to happen.

Take over the government? No, in the absence of a parliamentary system that would be more difficult. But their ideas have traction now. Even in the Bush Admin istration if someone had even whispered any white nationalist ideas they'd have been shamed out of politics altogether. Now with each new appointment (save Nikki Haley) we see their power. Bannon can afford to soft-pedel it now that he's the most influential non-elected person in the country but his track record is crystal clear. Or take Jess Sessions, whom a GOP Senate rejected as too racist to be a Federal judge 20 years ago - now Attorney General. You don't HAVE to have your senator or your VP tossing off Nazi salutes and wearing swastikas as long as the govern from white nationalist suppositions.

so it takes actual violence? Is that private citizen violence or government violence?
What if the government denies civil rights but doesn't use actual violence to enforce it? What if private citizens deny civil rights and the government refuses to support those rights?

Is violence the only way that we can be sure bad things are happening?

well the first battle is the battle of ideas. Go out and shoot all 200 of these folks and you make martyrs out of them and villains out of the ones who object. The first war is to ask good decent people to wake the fuck up and say "we did not sign up for this and we won't stand for it."

Then you look and see if there are enough people left who won't stand for it to win on civil terms.

Relax, Sugar Boobs, Hillary lost. Female Hitler is no more.

have you heard about the half-dozen plus cops murdered on duty since election day? No?

That's because all of them were shot by white guys.

Your racism is showing.

Yeah.

Actors say something respectful to VP...

Trump on Twitter: How DARE they!! Apologize!!!!!!
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Nazis: Heil Trump!!!
Trump:....
Nazis: Heil Trump x 1,000!
Trump:...
Reporter: Why haven't you repudiated the Nazis??
Trump (eventually, when forced to address it in an interview, in quite manner): "I do"
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Wonder which one reflects his sincere opinion?

Not to mention the fact that the WS crowd KNOWS and EXPECTS that he's obliged to voice a mealy-mouthed disavowal when the pressure is on, and accept it as the cost of doing business. They don't believe it's sincere any more than I do. That comment is only for the gullible sheep.

I was making fun of the way you were trying to beat around the bush with it, but thanks for coming right out and proving I was right on the nose. The thing is, for all the fear-mongering, Trump isn't like Hitler.

are you familiar with the concept of "followers" on Twitter? It's prominently displayed how many one has. Trump himself has said that social media was probably his most effective campaign tool.

as I said, he does not share his ideology, but he employs his methodology, including appeals to the same dark instincts of humanity.

Or Marco, or Rand, or John, or Scott...

I would have struggled with Ted Cruz, but at least he for all his bad ideas, was not a hero to the Neo-Nazis

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/us/san-antonio-police-shooting/

Damn that motherfucker has a HELL of a tan!

Which is still blaming him for something he hasn't actually done.

Like?

And you immediately contradicted yourself.

Racist assholes have been around for a very long time, and unfortunately they'll be around for quite a while. They aren't going to take things over, you will not be sent to the FEMA death camps. And if anyone tries, "there's a rifle behind every blade of grass."

What, you mean kind of like the regressive left has been doing in the name of "social justice" the past few years? Funny how many people weren't against that yet are suddenly worried they'll hear the tromp of jack boots any minute now.

there were news stories during the fall of KKK folks phone banking and doing some door-to-door work, though being visible isn't exactly how they help him because that removes the deniability.

I don't know how you'd find a record of financial contributions since "white supremecist" is not how one is identified on contribution records and other than the leadership, it's not possible to know how many and who participates in the actual movement and who just sympathizes.

The major contribution may have been the disseminating of fake news. Stormfront and similar sites, along with reddit groups, were cesspools of disinformation that the visitors would take out and spread across social media (and presumably in face-to-face encounters).

But the claim here is NOT "WS got Trump elected!" - isn't now never has been. The claim is that Trump's campaign was geared towards those people's bigotries in a way no one in a major party has done in a century or more and THEY, of their own volition, looked at him and said - in a way they had NOT said of any previous nominees - "THIS IS OUR GUY! HE BELIEVE WHAT WE DO AND WE MUST GET OUT AND SUPPORT HIM!" This empowered and mobilized them, brought them out from under their rocks and into the daylight and legitimized their hatred in the eyes of many "closet bigots" who'd kept their heads down until now.

WS didn't elevate Trump, Trump elevated them.