Trump doesn't have to be Hitler...

Denial merely empowers them.

5, 10 years from now we will either look back and say "Nova and her ilk panicked for nothing" and which, no harm done - OR we will look back and say "Captain X and his ilk were complacent and asleep and now we have a huge problem"

I'm perfectly fine with being wrong, because that means things have not gone completely to shit. If you can live with being wrong then I'll leave you to it. It's not like this has never happened before, right?

The whole post was full of win, but especially this.

such as?

What, you mean like the accusations that Black Panthers were intimidating voters at the polls during the last election and that they were being unofficially supported in some way by the Administration and/or the Democratic Party? Or all the people panicking that Obama was going to take all our guns and how that didn't happen in spite of the attempts to do so under his administration?

Don't play coy with me.

in an official organized fashion? Probably true.

As people who vote those sensibilities without even being fully conscience of them? Probably a majority of white folks. Surveys show a lot of racist assumptions in the majority of white people (presumably a lot in the minds of minority groups too, human nature being what it is) - Trump's whole campaign shtick was "These other folks are ruining your country" with "other" defined by the context of his complaint, Muslims, Latinos, whatever.

The thing that fascinates me is that when Trump speaks, white nationalists here sweet sweet gospel, and other folks are like "Trump's not singing their song"

Huh? Who are you to define what their gospel is? THEY define it and THEY hear it and see it in Trump. It's simply denial for others to say "no, I don't think it's there"

By the way, for those twits who are saying "Well Obama did it too" - uh, no. The folks you hate like BLM or whatever, they are not out there saying "Obama is the great hero that is going to put the black folk on top" and never were. They were often dissatisfied with his track record, particularly in continually fueling the Drug-War prison industry.
He's not stepping up concerning Standing Rock right now either for that matter.

THREE (IIRC) Black Panthers at ONE polling place is an outlier, not a movement.

And yes, right wing racist assholes pissed off that a black man got elected seeking to use on outlier incident to prove their bullshit ideas to gullible white folks is exactly in line with the pattern of bullshit that's been flooding the right for a decade or more and particularly in the last few years.

The whole "tell a lie often enough" strategy borrowed from - where was it again? - was employed heavily against the Clintons in the 90s but the internet was not widespread enough for it to have the same effect. That disinformation strategy is back now and gullible conservative lap it up. Obama was never going to "take all their guns" - that was simply the all-or-nothing bullshit of the NRA which amounts to "taking even one gun is proof they intend to take all guns" - good for mobilizing votes.

No, to find where it has happened before, you need to go back about 80 years, and cross an ocean. You can find lots of newspaper clippings about the Nazis coming to power which amounts to "well, we'll just have to see what they do but it will probably be fine"

When it turned out not to be fine, most Germans looked the other way and one man eventually wrote "when they came for me, there was no one to speak up for me"

I'm not going to wait until then to speak up.

well since we have your guess, I suppose we can all go back to watching reality TV then.

Yeah, tell that to the people who bullied me over my mixed race. Tell that to the extended family members who gave my family shit and for spurning my siblings and I for representing "thinning the blood."

Or, hey, how about all these sad assholes immediately blaming white people as a race for Trump being elected? For assuming people would only vote for him if they were themselves racist/misogynist? Or how that assumption was thus automatically directed exclusively at white people? Or how all the women who voted for him were just assumed to have "internalized misogyny."

and no

No
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I do not say everyone who disagrees with me is a racist.

I do NOT

I DO say that those who are not racist/bigots, but who either supported Trump or are not worried about it now look at raw bigotry and say "I can live with that in the pursuit of my goals"

Trumps voters are:
1. outright white supremacists in philosophy if not in activism, they think that the primary source of all our evils are non-white, non-Christian people
2. Dominionists, who'll put up with essentially ANY flaw in a candidate if it empowers them to enforce Traditionalist Christian values with the force of law;
3. people who see that his campaign was shot through with bigotry, but are willing to tolerate it in the persuit of their political goals (mostly unrestricted guns but surely a variety of other things)
4. people so completely tuned out of the political process that they are paying no attention to anything but are gullible enough to believe it when Trump says he'll "make America Great Again" and literally don't know anything else about his promises
5. people who see him as a bomb to blow up the system and consequences be damned (really this is a subset of #3) without realizing he's not going to blow up up, but rather he's going to turn it into an engine for his profit.

That said - bigots are worth condemning
People who knowingly tolerate bigotry in pursuit of their goals are worth challenging
People who enable bigotry because they cannot be bother to inform themselves before voting are also guilty of what comes next.

start with the 3 different threads about the fake news phenomena

How would you classify me?

Brietbart News (both content and comment threads)
WND (ditto)
A dozen or more similar "Christian" sites
Site like Barbwire
Free Republic
Site like the Blaze (albeit one assumes not so overtly WS there since Beck isn't on their side, still heavily susceptible to the fake news) Red State, and so forth
Reddit (a major one)
and then they have their own dedicated sites like Stormefront, Daily Stormer, et all from which these things flow.

Again, go read "Fake News and Donald Trump II" - they break it down:
1. dude posts fake news (for example, "FBI agent who leaked damning info on Clinton murdered"
2. One or more people notices it and posts it at Reddit or Stormfront
3. several of those posters pick it up and post it somewhere like Free Republic or Britebart
Result - hundreds of thousands of shares within a week.

oh, you got one from today, that's interesting.

I was quoting a reference to previous weeks. I do need to correct myself though, the original source was posted on Nov. 10 so it wasn't "since election day" but the week prior to publication.

Point being, the "disregard for law enforcement" is not confined to the black race, and it sure as fuck doesn't mean they should keep their mouth shut when the evidence suggests they are being targeted disproportionately.

no answer then. Noted.

selective quoting is disengenious

My father's mother disowned me at birth because I was "too white", and I'm not the same complextion as the children he had with the woman she did accept (who later cheated on him with half the town).

The brother I did grow up with has always faced shit for being "too white" and he could see Trump for the danger he represents to everyone.

What danger? Did I miss something at the last Kill Whitey meeting?

I don't know about the other minority groups or locations, but here in Augusta blacks have more to fear from other blacks than they do from Trump. Chicago? Holy shit blacks are slaughtering themselves 24/7. So tell me Anna what particular legislation or policy Trump may enact in the future could be more dangerous to a black than a bullet fired from the gun of another black today?

Blah blah blah...then please get back to me when you can show me that what you are saying is a fact. I don't want to hear because I said so.

And before you decide to lay one side or another at my feet as you do Flow just realize you are wrong.

Those wouldn't be fact than would they?

So bring me facts. I've asked nicely.

What @Nova is saying here is proven by the video in her OP. If you want proof of a different proposition, that's your prerogative, but ascribing that proposition to other people is a strawman fallacy.

I have asked to be shown how that group got him elected and I haven't been given any facts I've been told beliefs.

Yes the video is a small group of idiots. Please show me how this small group got him elected.

This is not a large percentage of US citizens. Someone should be able to show me how they helped to get Trump elected.

@Nova didn't claim this group got him elected. Neither have I, and I am not sure anyone else here has.

I did post a scientific study in response to your original question. Please explain how that is merely stating a belief.

I never asked nova, I was asking someone else down thread. But I wasn't originally responding to the OP. My original question was in response somewhere in there.

This time was me responding to Nova saying something to me. I'm going to stay with my question and not get lost in this crap fest.

Edit: You even responded to my first post in this thread when it was clearly no longer on the OP, on my page three. @k

So you will continue to ask for proof for something that nobody believed happened, and ignore people showing you proof for what actually happened? Why?

@k you must be reading something different than me because that isn't answering the question I asked.

Which was not the OP but brought on by comments in this thread.

I'm sorry you don't like my question but I get to ask questions. This was not a straw man but a question about those who have been saying here and in other threads that this has been going on.

When do I do straw man's? I asked a sincere question. The only blithe thing I did was the blah blah because Nova didn't answer my question with anything but thoughts.

There has always been many convoys going on in a thread, this is actually on parallel lines to the OP, why do we need a whole new thread?

This has been stated that since racists have endorsed trump he is racist. And they are a decent reason he was elected as just about everybody who voted for him has to be a bigoted racist to have voted for him.

Whether it's FB or various threads where this has be bandied about I figured a thread about racists being incited by Trump was a good place for the question.

Trump isn't racist because some of his supporters are. He's racist because he doesn't vocally denounce this shit and is hiring people like Bannon the anti-Semite into his cabinet.

In related news, when Obama's preacher came up with the chickens coming home to roost video, he was pretty quick to put some distance between himself and the preacher and say in so many words that those views were absolutely not his.

Yes, but other people get to answer them, comment on them, and continue other conversations not dictated by your questions. In this case, the answer was "We don't know of any proof for that happening.", the comment was "We don't think that did happen.", and the continuing conversation you responded to by saying "Blah blah blah" was "Here's what we think did happen instead, and here's the proof for that."

Insisting on proof for a proposition that your interlocutors believe to be false doesn't come across as sincere. I could ask you for proof that 2+2=5, and when you answer that you have no proof for that and don't believe that 2+2=5, I could point out that neither of those two statements includes the proof I asked for. But I would seem pretty disingenuous doing that, wouldn't I?

I haven't seen that statement. My point has been that since Trump has made many racist statements, and readily allied with extreme racists, the people who voted for him were at least tolerant of his racism. In addition, I posted proof that avowed racists helped his campaign. Neither of those claims are equivalent to "Trump is a racist because he was endorsed by racists."