Trump shits all over the Refugee Convention

Dude, there was NO witnesses nor evidence to the alleged event. None. Not a single person that was at that party could confirm her story. She couldn't even remember how she got home. If you want to believe the accusation then fine. But stop lying about witnesses and evidence that don't exist. It makes you look like an idiot.

Oh please!! You don't say jack shit about your buddies on this board who accuse anyone who disagrees with them as being sexist, racist or bigoted. If you're going to play self righteous, at least be consistent.

The point Soma was making is that you're fine with believing an accusation despite zero evidence. You do it all the time. So he decided to turn it around on you to show how it feels. It's not fun is it?

What are you going to do? Beat him to death with your My Little Pony doll?

No, you're not. I'm referring to a public figure who was publicly accused, with an actual investigation behind it, and yeah, the reason he claimed he was innocent was because he didn't have that date marked on his calendar. What you are doing is accusing a private member of this forum of a truly heinous act. An act that is vile, and way beyond the pale. You might think you're clever and "oh, I got you lulz" but that's not something you joke about. I don't know what it is about you, and people like Ramen, or Volpone, members who accuse other board members of horrible, actionable, libelous things. It's like you have no ability to limit yourself, like you have to be as sick as possible when trolling others. It is not okay. To use an example, I don't like Dayton, but I'd never call him a child rapist, or anything else like that, and this is a guy who has done things and has openly said as much. I don't because this little board spreads across several larger communities. You just don't do that.

Soma's not making a point, Soma is a troll, and he saw an opportunity to be a troll. I know what you think he's trying to do, but I already explained my position earlier. Right now, this is Soma taking an opportunity to attack under a veil of legitimacy, and you're going for it. Soma doesn't give two shits about the actual topic.

I mean, if we're going to be fucking stupid about it, then any position we hold on the civic level can apply to people on Wordforge. How stupid do you have to be to utterly miss the differences in this situation?

"I think Donald Trump has committed fraud against the U.S. government."
"Well, I think you've committed fraud at your job, Wordforge poster."

Are you that incapable of context to think it's the same thing?

Nice try, but that's not how it goes around here. This is a more accurate example...

Poster: "Our country is facing problems of overpopulation as it is with heavy drains on social services. Take care of our people first."
Leftforge: "1939 called, the nationalists of that era want their talking points back."
Also Leftforge: "Go come up with another reason to be a bigot"

Got to love the search function. Works wonders when someone tries to whitewash an argument

And how do you get "conservative" out of "not an extreme leftist?"

See, that's the thing: calling someone a bigot is something you can back up. If I called Dinner a bigot, it would be simple enough to pull up all the posts where he was saying bigoted things. If you called me a communist, you could easily bring up the posts where I said as much. When you get into libelous things like child rapist, make specific or implied threats about a person on this board (like Ramen did to Anna), or anything related to someone's job, you're stepping into a totally different territory. It's no longer about a public person, or a general group of people. It's also something that can't be proven but can easily be spread around, and considering the very far reach of Google, and how publicly visible this board is, why would anyone desire to push that envelope?

You can say "I think President such and such is guilty of sexual assault."
What you can't do is accuse another member of sexual assault and then keep pushing it like it's true, because it's not something that can be easily proven or disproven and it directly affects a member of this board. See the difference?

Suppose you had a member who was constantly accused of cheating on their wife, and then that person's wife visits the forum, and as a result she confronts him over the issue. What then? There are clear differences between watching a public event and weighing in on what you believe is true, and accusing someone on a board of which you're a member, something they cannot easily prove or disprove.

The whole Dayton debacle should prove just how dangerous and damaging it is to engage in trolling acts like that.

Innocent until proven guilty is one of the cornerstones of Western society, yet you want to throw it in the trash to push your own weepy agenda. The issue of public vs private is inconsequential in this context. Nothing like a good free for all courtesy of you.

Blasey's own father Mr. Blasey thought his daughter was lying - obviously - when he apologized to Brett Kavanagh's father for Prof. BlaseyFord's apparently hit job on Brett's nomination. Mr. Blasey must have known his daughter was lying otherwise why apologize to the father of the purported rapist of your little girl?

Also apparently BlaseyFord's own attorney spilled the beans that the point of BlaseyFord's victimhood testimony (lies about the rape) was to effectively add an asterisk to Justice Kavanagh if confirmed, to help undermine any future SCOTUS decisions that retracted any parts of Roe v Wade.

On the whole it seems pretty shameful behavior by BlaseyFord, whatever she's professor of I'd hate to be in her class, hard to wash off the stink afterwards, it's even a lower class than Trump.

You are wrong, and your actions here were wrong. This is the last thing I'm going to say to you about it in this thread.

Innocent until proven guilty, unless John thinks you are guilty.

Running away like a little girl? Well, I guess that's to be expected. They've really rubbed off on you.

(OK I'll stop now )

Trump hand-waved fascists, conservatives backed Trump to the hilt.
Birds, feathers, dogs, fleas.
It goes from the average shmoe, to old dog Republican pols who've been in Washington forever.
It's not a sudden plague that hit the new kiddies.
And it's not "bad apples".

That's not how unsigned orders work. All we know is that at least 5 Justices agreed with Trump/DOJ. Sotomayor wrote a dissent related to the unsigned order.

For goodness sakes just stop with the B.S. It wasn't Dinner or Dayton who was called that in the thread it was me. And Anna was the one who threw the term bigot out just like she does with everyone else who has an opinion she doesn't like. Of course she shouldn't be threatened but she also shouldn't be instigating fights on the internet. If you slap a grizzly bear don't be surprised when you get mauled.

And you can continue to call Soma a troll( how enlightened of you), but all he did was take your tactic, one up it, and throw it right back in your face. You can split hairs about the degree of the example he used, but nobody likes being called something that they aren't. That's the entire point.

I'm not sure it really matters which administration started putting children in cages.

What matters is it shouldn't be happening.

I think the argument is supposed to mean if liberals don't want to flat out lynch Obama, they have no moral high ground, so shut up about ANYTHING Trump does.
Forever!
It's a nice little gaslighting trick, that I'm sad to say works on some weaker people.

Yes. What Obama did was equally wrong. It wasn't comparable in intention, cruelty and scope to the new policy of separating families and deliberately mistreating children, both of which only happened under Trump -- that practice began in May 2018. But it was still wrong. Both practices should be ended, and I'd love to see both Presidents prosecuted.

The lawyer admitting the political motivations and complete lack of evidence was pretty damning. At this point John is just a deranged idiot lying for the cause. It is sad to see such blatant dishonesty.

We ever have Democratic Congress people now admitting they never knew the extreme left was such bullies who always lied. There was a hot mic incident on CNN just the day before yesterday. Now it is just lie, lie, lie, it is ok as long as it is for the cause.

You are seeming somewhat worked up these past few days.

For what? Do you have evidence they did anything illegal?

Systematically mistreating children is, of course, a violation of basic human rights. If you want to discuss whether the letter of the applicable laws of any given country has to agree, I'm not up for that discussion; it's been settled at the Nuremberg trials.

You're suggesting that President Trump (and President Obama) committed crimes against humanity in any possible equivalence to the Nazis?

That's ridiculous.

Strawman is obvious. Do you think it is legal to take a child and deliberately torment it? Do you think it can be made legal by vague laws? If your answer to those two questions is No, then you understand what I said; and if at least one of them is Yes, you're Dayton.

If a child is in the presence of alleged criminals then it absolutely is legal and right to "take the child". Not sure how you can claim children have been "deliberately tormented".

Under Trump, the explicit policy is to treat children badly in order to deter border crossings. You separate them from their caregivers, withhold sanitary and medical care, and then several of them die. Arguably, the same has already happened under Obama, though it was not official policy at the time.

(I'm not rising to your false claims about crime in your first sentence; it's immaterial when asking how innocent children should be treated, but that doesn't mean I accept those lies just because they have been repeated over and over again. Asylum is a right.)

Nazis are awfully shouty.
It's their thing.

Dicky, you truly are an idiot. That is so sad and pathetic I actually feel sorry for you for having such a defective brain.

That really does show their hypocrisy, two facedness, and just out and out stupidity, doesn’t it? Life must be difficult for people so easily manipulated and abused but they seem to love it.