Trumpite Americans, when will you finally acknowledge your leader is a Nazi?

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  1. Order2Chaos

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  5. Diacanu

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    Hey!
    Remember Sargon Of Akkad?
    Remember how Dinner had a shameless full-bonered man-crush on him?
    Remember how Sargon laughed at the death of Heather Hayer?
    Remember I how I linked to a video of him laughing at Heather Hayer, and Dinner gave it a "fantasyworld", rep?

    WELL! Here's Sargon defending Tucker Carlson's writer, Blake Neff!

    It's an hour, so you don't have to watch the whole thing.
    But, if you want, you don't really need the pictures, just listen to the audio while you do other things.



    Dinner's hero, everyone!
    A full-throated white supremacist!
    Dinner wasn't racist though!
    The fantasy-reps say so!
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  6. Bickendan

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    [​IMG][fantasy rep] Dinner disagree's!

    Unrelated, the fantasy rainbow is the only(?) rep icon that can't be copy/pasted :chris:[​IMG]
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  7. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Hey! Here's a conundrum!

    If Ramen, Dinner, and Storm are banned for being Nazis...

    ...how far down the rabbit hole will Trump and his supporters have to go before we'll just have to outright ban rightforge?
    Past a point, it'll be hypocritical not to.
    Won't it?

    AND!
    Do you really think the Republican party is gonna abandon fascism after Trump is gone?
    I'm gonna go with "fuck no".

    Yeah, this is gonna get awkward and complicated!
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  8. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    But there's this: :fantasyworld:
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  9. Bickendan

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    @Diacanu Dinner's not banned.
    His comments in the FB group are telling though.
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    A large part of the Republican party has been heading toward fascism for a long time. The rise of "moral majority" movement, in the late 1970s, was already incipient theocratic fascism. That's why so many of us maintain that, as bad as Donald Trump is (I don't want to let him off the hook, here...), he is more a symptom than a root cause.

    I do not think the Republican party can be saved. Any reasonable alternative to the Democrats either has to be the rise of a brand-new party (such as when the Republican Party was created) or the result of a split among the Democrats (such as when the by-then-pretty-much-universal Democratic Republicans gave rise to the Whigs).

    Neverthelesss, as much as I detest the two-party system that currently dominates American politics, I like a one-party system even less. So I hope something credible can be put in place.

    What I fear, though, is that we will be stuck with the same two parties, with the Republicans continuing to be blatantly theo-fascist. Which means that for all those who believe in freedom, there will only be a one-party option. In the long run, that could turn out to be as bad as the theo-fascists.
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    You're not wrong, but things might not be as bleak as they seem. Amongst the Millenial crowd, there's growing support to not only end the EC, but also to enact ranked-choice voting. Accomplishing just one or the other of those things has the potential to change the political landscape in America. We probably won't see it for another couple of election cycles, but I think a diversification in American political parties is almost inevitable.
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  12. Nova

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    it frustrates me when I can't make the connection between FB names and WF names but now that you mention it, I think one of the ones I'd forgotten just lept back into focus
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    Yeah, there's a couple I still haven't been able to connect, but Dinner's should be obvious by now.
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    All of this but let me add an older layer (listening to great historians like Heather Richardson among others has really added some depth to my historical awareness on some of this stuff):

    The long standing question "what the fuck happened to the Republican Party?" might be best explained by realizing that prior to the 60's, both parties were a mixed bag alliance of often somewhat incompatible people who held together for politically strategic reasons. As has been pointed out, Bob Lafollete (likely misspelled) and Strom Thurmond were in the same party, Eisenhower and Goldwater were in the same party, and so forth. "What happened" was that desegregation instigated a "hard sorting" in which the more facistic, or at least fascist tolerating, elements in both parties became concentrated in one. When you take the Bucklyite crowd that was only about wealth accumulation, and the Birchers and the segregationists and pile them all up together, then motivate them with faux-Christian bullshit that gives then an attitude of righteous superiority, it begins to feed on itself. Basically all the worst instincts on 20th century politics in concentrated form.

    "Genial" front-man Reagan leads to "bombastic" Rush leads to cutthroat Gingrich and all the pieces were in place. Electing a black president struck the match on that kindling and here we are. The whole process never had any brakes, once itgot started the critical mass was always going to happen at some point.

    Like you, I think it's fatal. Either the GOP destroys America as we know it or it must die in it's present form and it's crazy hateful elements regulated to the margins.They cannot co-exist forever.
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    Remember when Sokar trolled Dinner for treating Muslims like people? Those were the good ol' days :(

    I do wonder to Dinner got legit radicalized around 2015 because that hard turn to right wing racism was just a bit too hard and sudden, and honestly reminds me of the way JK Rowling has clung on so hard to being a TERF. Given is disposition as a liberal, I can easily see that happening.
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    I believe the Charlie Hebdo attack broke his brain. :async:
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    That was the trigger to be sure, but by his own admission that City Forums board he used to post at was "Stormfront lite" and San Diego isn't exactly a progressive city, especially for the very few natives like Dinner who grew up in the area he did.

    He was always a shitbag, though. :shrug:
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    I have to admit, I was also curious about the abrupt about face and looked through his Facebook page. That’s apparently the same time he hooked up with his now wife. As my sixteen year old’s group of friends said about Elon Musk, this is what happens when incels get laid.
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    The masks are flying off these fuckers, aren't they?
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    The USA is really doing it's best to undermine that whole "democracy good" message hey.
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    Trump’s ‘Delay the Election’ tweet checks all 8 rules for fascist propaganda


    Just before 9 this morning, President Trump wrote this and pinned it to the top of his Twitter feed: “With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???”

    With this tweet, the president both revives fascist propaganda and exploits a new age of Internet post-truth: He follows a trail blazed by fascists, but adds a twist that is his own.

    A fascist guide to commentary on elections would have eight parts: contradict yourself to test the faith of your followers; tell a big lie to draw attention from basic realities; manufacture a crisis; designate enemies; make an appeal to pride and humiliation; express hostility to voting; cast doubt on democratic procedures; and aim for personal power.

    Trump achieves all eight with admirable concision in this one tweet. He decries voting by mail, but praises absentee ballots, which are nothing else but voting by mail. The blatant contradiction, the test of faith for the true believer, is there right at the beginning, a gatekeeper for the rest of the tweet.

    The big lie, in all capitals, is that the coming elections will be the most inaccurate and fraudulent in history. Historically speaking, the greatest source of inaccuracy and fraud in our elections is the suppression of African American votes, which is bad now but has been much worse. Of course, this is not at all what Trump means, and that is the point of a big lie: to replace a familiar reality with a nonexistent problem.

    Tyrants in general and fascists in particular like to manufacture crises. Something that is true but of limited significance is transformed into an emergency that requires breaking all the rules. So, true, it does take time to count ballots, and some states do it better than others. But the claim that this requires an extraordinary step such as delaying an election is a manufactured crisis.

    The cleverness of the manufactured crisis is that it plays out at the level of emotions rather than facts. If people accept it, they put their emotions in the service of the tyrant. The next move, made in the next sentence of the tweet, is to invoke humiliation. The “great embarrassment” has not happened and will not happen, but if we choose to feel humiliated, we then look for the wrongdoer.

    This has been the siren song of tyrants: Some shady enemy has done us wrong, and we must restore our honor. In this tweet, the enemy is implicit: Someone has made voting improper, unsafe and insecure. From the context, it is clear that what is meant is that Democrats have tried to make voting easier. In fact, paper ballots are the most proper, safe and secure way to vote.

    The basic substance of the message, then, is a call to resist voting and question democratic procedures. In that way, the final three traditional fascist objectives are achieved. Citizens are supposed to forget about their individual right to cast a ballot and doubt the familiar procedures of democratic elections, while the president simply remains (as he imagines it) in power.

    So we circle back to the grand contradiction. The president claims to defend voting but does so by expressing the desire to have elections indefinitely delayed. He blames others for the risks we face and the problems, although it is his own White House and his Republican allies in the Senate who have blocked legislation that would extend voting at home and block intervention from abroad. He calls for dramatic action to resolve a nonexistent problem and suggests a power he does not actually have.

    This is where the differences with historical fascists begin. Fascists believed in responsibility: a terrible responsibility, as they understood it — the need to destroy an old decadent world in the name of a new racial paradise, to drown democracy in blood, to fight wars for territory abroad, to set the world on fire. Trump has no such visions and no sense of responsibility, terrible or otherwise. He simply prefers to stay in power and have a comfortable life. He expresses just enough fascism to make this possible.

    Hence the “just asking” part of the tweet, at the end, expressed as “???.” Whenever anyone asks about a tweet’s authoritarian character, the response of Trump and his minders will be that he was just posing a question. This makes it harder for his critics to pin him down, but also harder for his allies to take him seriously. No one goes to the wall for three question marks.
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    At least George Wallace finally came to his senses and tried to make amends for the evil he had done. :marathon:
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