Two NYPD Officers Executed

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by shootER, Dec 20, 2014.

  1. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    42,393
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +56,160
    Case in point: the calls for arresting Mike Brown's stepfather for telling the crowd to "burn this bitch down."

    /thread
    • Agree Agree x 4
  2. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    31,080
    Ratings:
    +48,042
    Of course. It's "criticism" when you approve of it, and "stirring up hate and resentment" when you don't. :borg:
    • Agree Agree x 6
  3. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    31,080
    Ratings:
    +48,042
    Some folks aren't willing to admit that some problems actually exist. The "real problem" to them is anyone that complains about or even mentions the original problem. Archie is more upset about black people protesting racism than any actual incidents of racism against blacks. Dicky doesn't seem to spend much time worrying about sexism or misogyny, but he sure does have endless criticisms about any woman that points out examples of sexism or misogyny in the media. :shrug:
    • Agree Agree x 6
  4. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,648
    He instigated riots and arson in which a dozen business were burned and one person died. That's a very serious crime.

    If you read the Mother Jones article, it's giving examples from the right but then calling those examples stupid to point to as an equivalent. For an actual equivalent you'd need to find mass demonstrations with white people holding up signs that say something like "Stop a race. Death to blacks."

    Meanwhile Bill de Blasio's office is now slamming the police who turned their back on him, saying "It’s unfortunate that in a time of great tragedy, some would resort to irresponsible, overheated rhetoric that angers and divides people," Yeah, that's exactly what Bill de Blasio had been doing to piss off every cop in New York.
  5. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    Interesting, since I posted in this very thread that the system is part of the problem. Since you either missed it or no doubt didn't get it, that means I'm not using a double standard. Both events are part of the same flawed system. Now, if you really want to see the extent of your embarrassment, go read the Ferguson and Garner threads. Go read my posts, which are mostly sympathetic to the cops. You are arguing out of your ass, making up things that haven't been said, in order to score some kind of political point that is manifestly invalid. Do your reputation a favor, and shut the fuck up. Adults are talking in this thread.
  6. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,616
    Location:
    All in your head
    Ratings:
    +30,540
  7. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Republican Democrat

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Canada
    Ratings:
    +36,672
    • Agree Agree x 2
  8. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,051
    Location:
    Where the skies are not cloudy all day
    Ratings:
    +20,614
    A really good piece here about going down the rabbit hole of blaming every tragedy on political rhetoric. It does appear there was a link in this case, but at the end of the day individuals are still the ones responsible for their actions.

    Its long but well worth the read.

    • Agree Agree x 3
  9. The Original Faceman

    The Original Faceman Lasagna Artist

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    40,856
    Ratings:
    +28,819
    If we just stop talking about the problems the problems will go away.
    • Agree Agree x 7
  10. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    I don't know if that is a great example as a reasonable person could interprit that as inciting a riot.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,616
    Location:
    All in your head
    Ratings:
    +30,540
    Liberals on mass shootings by crazies: "Guns! Blame the guns! And gun owners!!"
    Liberals when cops get shot after weeks of race-baiting and anti-cop rhtoric: "Blame no one but the individual who did the deed."

    :garamet:
  12. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,648
    I blame it on liberals inciting Muslims to kill ethnic minorities.
  13. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    31,080
    Ratings:
    +48,042
    • Agree Agree x 6
  14. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    I sometimes think Fox isn't even trying to hide it any more. They know their brain damaged followers will believe any horse shit they put on the screen and dismiss actual facts and evidence as liberal conspiracies.
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2014
    • Agree Agree x 2
  15. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    20,211
    Location:
    U.S.A.
    Ratings:
    +24,062
    :yes:



    :ramen:
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2004
    Messages:
    59,487
    Ratings:
    +48,918
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    49,471
    Location:
    The Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue
    Ratings:
    +51,240
    FOX affiliate ≠ Murdoch's company.

    Though in this case the station is owned by Sinclair, which is possibly an even more right-partisan company than News Corp.

    >EDITED< to add that this particular Sinclair has a stellar journalistic reputation, which makes this incident seem pretty curious to me.
    • Agree Agree x 4
  18. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    Don't be a dumbass. People can and will blame guns. Don't confuse that for a conversation regarding whether it was the guy who pulled the trigger, or the guy who said something that made cops angry.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  19. Will Power

    Will Power If you only knew the irony of my name.

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2009
    Messages:
    6,444
    Location:
    On one of the coasts!
    Ratings:
    +2,335
    Aside from anything else, the killing of those 2 policemen was a hate crime! That screwball made a POINT of targeting & executing 2 cops SIMPLY for the fact that they were COPS, to satisfy his morbid hate-filled bloodlust. Plus, earlier today I saw a report that before he murdered those 2 policemen, he had shot his girlfriend trying to murder her.
  20. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

    Joined:
    May 28, 2004
    Messages:
    37,923
    Location:
    Ireland
    Ratings:
    +32,537
    The NYPD say that they're "going to war". That's the problem in the first place.
    • Agree Agree x 9
  21. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2004
    Messages:
    51,920
    Location:
    Norphlet, Arkansas
    Ratings:
    +5,412
    You can't blame the NYPD for being upset.

    For weeks they've been told by the mayor that they're the problem and he soft pedals "protests" where they get assaulted. There are warnings that the rhetoric is going to produce a tragedy and behold it does in fact.

    I think people misinterpret the role of police as that in some way the police who risk their lives are in fact supposed to put the lives of civilians (including criminals) AHEAD of their own lives.

    This is not in fact how they value their lives versus those of civilians. They will "risk" their lives to protect civilians.....but they will not simply throw them away on behalf of civilians.
  22. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    81,024
    Location:
    front and center
    Ratings:
    +29,959
    This from a guy who lives where cops very rarely kill citizens and citizens very rarely kill cops. Not to say you don't have a dog in this fight,
    but you really don't. Policing in your country versus ours? Apples and umbrellas.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  23. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    What did deBlasio say, other than that he gave his son the obvious advice of cooperating with the police?
    • Agree Agree x 1
  24. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2004
    Messages:
    51,920
    Location:
    Norphlet, Arkansas
    Ratings:
    +5,412
    I think that was enough. I hate it when politicians personalize something like this.
  25. Damar

    Damar Liberal Elitist

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    1,677
    Location:
    FL
    Ratings:
    +2,989
    I think the tragedies started when the Staten Island cops murdered Eric Garner. Let's not forget that. This lunatic went off and assassinated two cops because he's a lunatic, not because of anything Bill de Blasio says.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  26. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    31,080
    Ratings:
    +48,042
    • Agree Agree x 4
  27. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,648
    Yet Bill de Blasio's freight train of fail rolls on. Today he lashed out at the press for sowing "divisiveness" by covering the protests.
  28. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,648
  29. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,051
    Location:
    Where the skies are not cloudy all day
    Ratings:
    +20,614
    Nope, it was just you snowflake.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  30. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    81,024
    Location:
    front and center
    Ratings:
    +29,959
    Murdered Eric Garner? So it was premeditated, they had an agenda, they had a motive, etc? They tried to arrest him. He resisted. Maybe the cops screwed it up, but I'm
    guessing that they didn't cook up a scheme to kill him. They didn't single him out from anyone else. The crazy who killed the cops was hell-bent
    on killing cops and even expressed his desires publicly.