Listening to the original footage for the first time just now, it does kind of sound like they're saying "...so kill a cop..." the first couple of times they do it, but after that it's clear that they're saying "...'til killer cops..." Girlie reporter got it wrong and should be disciplined for it.
I gotta ask...how is "burn this bitch down" not inciting a riot and or violence? I really would like to hear the logic that went into that conclusion.
Are you fucking kidding me? I grew up in the most militarised place in Europe. You really are a complete moron.
So how many cops are killed by citizens and vice versa? I mean in the past couple of years, excluding car bombings and whatnot. What are the stats?
You can look up stats yourself if you wish. It's mercifully quieter now but it was low-level warfare for many years and the police couldn't even travel by road in some areas. In short, I do have experience of militarised policing and your usual reflexive attempt to compensate for your abject ignorance by reducing the issue to a question of personal experience is unwarranted.
Some deep digging on exactly who was calling for dead cops, complete with breakdowns of some of the smaller groups that make up the protests. Long piece, but it's there if you want it.
Maybe I didn't make the point that clear, so I'll spell it out again: People are only responsible for THEIR actions. The article gul posted which I initially responded to showed how we can twist logic and continue to point the finger at everyone other than the criminals themselves and people will continue to do crazy shit. Brown's stepfather was grieving. You had a shit ton of folks there that just wanted to loot and detroy and started doing so barely a minute after the no indictment conclusion came out. Those folks were gonna act out regardless or what anyone said or didn't say.
Flow: So... Lots of allegations but no proof? The right wing echo chamber is currently in a flutter claiming violent "militant" blacks are out to kill white people especially white cops. I remember how they tried to blow up the "new black panther party" into some sort of giant threat when it was just one drunk guy screaming on a street corner. So, no, I don't believe racially motivated lies from right wing loons unless there is substantial evidence. Evidence which even the article Flow posted said it didn't have but the Daily Beast isn't really hyper partisan and is more fact based. At least when you compare them to standard right wing drivel like Drudge or Glenn Beck's sorry website.
Pretty much. Not sure what you're trying to say. I thought it was interesting that someone did the due diligence, tried to talk to the people who supposedly said it. I've already posted a piece from a right winger saying not to go down the trail of political rhetoric being responsible, I could post more of the same. Of course you won't see that because you admittedly wallow in the worst of right wing rhetoric. Confirms your biases, I guess. Like a security blanket. Not really surprising considering what you said soon after the Giffords shooting. I'm not saying rhetoric is responsible here, the guy had issues, but let's not pretend you wouldn't be singing a different tune if the politics were reversed in this case.
I stand corrected - you guys rock! Sorry to lump you in with the English. When I was there the had a "now see here you ruffians! You'll get a verbal reprimand if I have to tell you several more times" type of policing. The Herrod's department store bombing kind of put them on edge though. And I think they bombed a park because I remember a bunch of dead horses from a parade or something. I forgot you have a long standing grudge against them occupying/controlling you that at one time put America's "kill the pigs" attitude to shame. Was the whole thing a Catholic versus Protestant thing or just political or a combination of the two?
Both. To simplify massively, it has been the Protestant British settlers versus the native Catholic Irish.
Hundreds if not thousands of books have been written on that subject. A good place to start is: http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/
Slick, but if an invading force had tried to systematically eradicate your people (q.v. Oliver Cromwell), I'm sure you gunslingers would have gone peacefully.
Flow, what you are missing is there is absolutely NO evidence that any organized group called for cops to be killed where as there is a TON of evidence of right wing groups publishing kill lists of politicians and doctors. You can pretend that is bias or that I am only looking at the 3xtremists but when those extremists get a platform on the most popular right wing media (Gox, talk radio, the biggest right wing websites, etc...) then that IS the main stream of the right wing. All you are doing is trying to shovel your same old false equivalence claims and there isn't a shred of evidence to support it. That isn't bias; that is rational fact based discussion even if it upsets you or doesn't conform to your dogma.
BTW incitement to violence does hold sway on a lot of mentally ill people. That is something I think we all can agree on. Right wing rhetoric has repeatedly incited people to commit violent attacks. The Bundy nutters who shot those cops and the nutter who listened to tons of right wing blather about guns and how Gifford should be shot is another. Hell, domestic wight wing terrorists like the Olympic Park bomber and the OK City bombers are others and that is before we even got to the militia movement, brain damaged sovereign citizen movement, or the white supremacist movement which is so embedded into the right wing they are inseporable. And all you can come up with from the left is an unverifiable claim that some black person some where once might have said something but we're not sure what? It supposedly was at a big protest in NYC with thousands of people and at least hundreds of cameras around yet, mysteriously, there is no video? Oh, and the kicker is these questionable claims are coming from groups KNOWN to be lying shit bags? No, your false equivalence claims just don't add up. Not even remotely. You don't get to excuse and minimize the numerous violent attacks from the right lIke that.
It is nice to see that at least one person at National Review didn't buy into the spurrious, and even doctored, claims about black protesters inciting violence against cops.
Anyone else just marveling at Diner's ability to deny reality when it comes to his one sided view of extremist groups?
http://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...vative-rhetoric-breeds-deranged-lunatics.html This fake story is certainly being heavily pumped by the right wing media. They are attempting to do exactly what Flow was parroting; trying to claim both sides are the same or at least minimize the many, many examples of right wing politically motivated violence. There is only one problem, their claim that black protesters incited and endorsed attacks against police is a lie, or at the very least there is no evidence to support it. It is just the latest conspiracy theory out of right wing groups who routinely lie about death panels, about the President, about just about every topic imaginable. They lie so often at this point only a fool believes anything they say without documentation and back up research from actual creditable sources.
One of us is denying reality here. That is certain. As usual it is you though. When even the National Review says your side is full of shit then you know you are full of shit.
