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  1. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    I shot an STI race gun once. It was pretty...different. It was like for every action, there was a spring or counterweight or pully or something that made an equal and opposite reaction. End result was that I'd have a sight picture, then bang, then exact same sight picture as before without me ever correcting. I was like, WOW!
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    So, I was at Wal Mart getting ammunition a few days ago and noticed that they had that Colt 6920 featured. Well I went back a couple of days later, only to find that it had sold. :brood:

    I didn't let that stop me though, presenting the Sig Sauer M400 Enhanced. (which just means some Magpul stuff on it) The reviews I read on my phone were positive, everyone liked the ambidextrous mag release. I've never played with the .223 before, after near 100 rounds over the last two days, I'm wondering what took me so long. $1004 after tax.

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  3. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    The guy at work who told me about these guns bought one of the Sigs last weekend.

    Sig is milspec, right?
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  4. TheBurgerKing

    TheBurgerKing The Monarch of Flavor

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    That's the one i'm looking at getting, evenflow.
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    NeonMosfet Probably a Dual

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    They can learn to. Here, one of their security, a retired police officer, was killed by a gunman because the security guard stopped the latter over an unpaid tee shirt.
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    Ugh, I hate that word and how abused and misunderstood it is it. Even the 6920 isn't truly in compliance with the technical data package (AKA Milspec) because it comes with a 16" barrel and no select fire. However it comes the closest. However some major things that must be present in an M4gerie for civilian ownership that wants to make the "milspec" claim are:

    A barrel made out of 4150 CMV steel with a 1:7 twist, chrome lined bore and chamber, direct impingement gas operating system, properly staked gas key and castle nut, 5.56mm (not .223) chamber, "F" marked front sight base, parkerizing under the front sight base, properly cut M4 feed ramps, and an extension tube of the correct diameter.

    It absolutely disgusts me how many companies will claim to be producing TDP compliant M4geries and can't even meet these criteria. Remember, the DEA and its specifications are not military standards.

    As Elwood said years ago, with M4geries there are so many that cant even meet the TDP, while with the 1911 they have exceeded its specifications long ago and are exceeding it. The industry is just now getting to the point to where companies are starting to exceed the TDP (ambidextrous safeties, mid length gas systems, etc..).
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    Congrats. Now get a quality red dot sight (Aim Point or EoTech EXPS OPMOD line) and see how much more fun you can have.
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    TheBurgerKing The Monarch of Flavor

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    So I've talked myself into building an AR. I've found a complete upper, so that isn't a problem. What I need to learn about is the lower. Gunforge assemble!
  9. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    The lower's not all that difficult. You just need a stripped lower (the onlyest part that you need to transfer through a dealer), a trigger kit, and a stock. I got a Stag stripped lower, an RRA trigger kit, and I forget who made the stock, then I googled how to put it all together. It wasn't hard. I only launched a few springs and detents across the garage. Generally, a lower's a lower's a lower. The only controvertial part that I'm aware of is the castle nut. Without naming any names, Frontline insists that the castle nut is "properly staked". I just used Loctite. :)
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    Do I need the upper before i get the lower for registration purposes?
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    I don't know about the laws where you live, but I've never had to deal with gun registration. The only thing like that I ran into was with the stripped lower. That's the only part that had to go through a FFL dealer. Everything else...including the complete upper...I ordered through the mail.
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    Yeah, I have the upper on order, should be here before too long, I just wondered if I'd need to bring it in when I registered the lower.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Shouldn't need to.

    Depending on where you live, you may not need to "register" the lower, only fill out the paperwork for the transfer. If you intend to use the lower as part of a rifle, make sure it's listed as a rifle on the paperwork (AR lowers can also be the basis of a pistol and Im pretty certain you can't legally change one to the other).
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    What exactly do you mean by "register"? If you mean a full on gun registration, then I have no idea. As I said, I've never had to deal with that. If you're talking about the Federal NICS background check, then no. It's just for the lower. It doesn't have to be a complete gun (and it's not a registration).
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    O.K. cool, thanks guys, sorry for the dumb questions, it's my first A.R. build.
  16. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    They aren't dumb questions. I clearly remember being amazed when I learned that of the whole AR, one relatively mundane looking hunk of aluminum was the only part that's considered a firearm by the .gov.

    btw, what kind of upper did you order?
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    I ordered a .50 Beowulf upper.
  18. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    You're not playing around for your first build. :lol:

    I'm pretty sure you'll need a .50 Beowulf stripped lower....so forget what I said about a lower being a lower.
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    Nope, it'll fit any regular lower.
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    Cool. In that case, you can always swap that upper out for a 5.56 upper down the road. I hear that the .50 is expensive to shoot.
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    Yeah, this isn't gonna be a primary rifle by any stretch of the imagination. Might get a .458 upper later down the line.
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    I generally tell people to stay away from two stage triggers. Giselle or TImney drop in triggers are what I generally suggest. However you can buy a complete lower parts kit (I recommend G&R tactical for this) and drop it in. Not all lower parts kits are the same. There is a variation in quality.

    BTW, what upper did you get?

    What state do you live in? As others have said, you may not need to register anything at all. In Florida, you go to the gun shop, pay for your gun, pass the background check and that is it. You never have to register anything. The only part of the firearm that has a serial number is the lower receiver. Normally you wouldn't need to register both the lower and upper receiver. However I STRONGLY suggest you check out your states laws.

    HOLY FUCK!!!

    Any reason why you didn't go 5.56mm or .223?
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    I've never been a big fan of the 5.56/.223 round. It's just waaaay too high velocity for a round with such a low mass.
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    That's a bad thing? :unsure:
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    .50 Beowulf?!?

    Well, hat's off to you for not messing around, though I'm afraid that's going to be an expensive proposition to shoot!
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    The 5.56/.223 round is ineffective against larger game. The velocity combined with the low mass leaves relatively clean holes in soft targets, and doesn't do so well against bone. I'd use it against something like foxes or otters (of the ass). The .50 Beowulf mimics the ballistics of a hot load .45/70. This is a hog/deer gun and where I hunt a 200+ yard shot just isn't realistic.
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    I agree that a .50 would be a better hunting round...especially out past 200 yards, but your reasoning with regards to 5.56 + high velocity = clean holes in soft targets is flat wrong. The high velocity is what makes a .22 caliber bullet do soft tissue damage way out of proportion to it's size. Get a spitzer bullet going fast enough, and it will yaw violently when it hits tissue causing it to fragment and make big raggedy holes. I've actually heard that a 5.56 is a pretty good hog round.
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    People here hunt hogs with 5.56/.223 all the time. It wouldn't surprise me if it's the most popular round for that particular pastime.
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    Depends on how you define larger game. You can use it quite well to take out a hog or a deer. It's done here all the time. I will say that shot placement will be important for the latter. Also you have to look at the ammunition available. Hunting loads are very different from military rounds (M855 or M855A1). Mind you that some states prohibit anything that has a .22 in the caliber. Not the case in Florida.

    Having said that I decided to go with 6.8mm for my hunting caliber and have been damned impressed. The 6.8 is basically a necked down .270 with a shorter case. I caught a lot of shit the evening I showed up at the camp and showed em what I would be hunting with. They were busting my balls like no tomorrow (look at that sissy little round). By noon when I brought back my hog everyone had shut the fuck up and was asking me where to get one and how much it cost. They couldnt believe the damage that "sissy" round did. I had a damned good heart lung shot. The heart was all but immolated. There was just the tiniest of sliver of tissue that existed after the shot. Now I wouldn't use it on elk or the like, but for within 300 meters against a deer or hog, if I can see it I can hit it. If I can hit it it is dead. If I was going purely hog hunting I would not hesitate to use 5.56mm at all.
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    Well, like I said, its not purely for hogs. The Sig at wal-mart got me thinking AR, was gonna get the Sig, but started thinking about what purpose I'd use it for. That train of thought led me to the 6.5 Grendel, which I had contemplated a while back. For gits & shiggles I looked at the .50, remembered my last hunting trip, everything was sub 200 yards, so the .50 is just perfect, and it's something a little different. It was the price of the upper that sealed the deal, complete upper with a threaded barrel and a muzzle brake for under $800. Figure $300ish for a lower, trigger kit & stock set. Fair Price, I'd say.