US ambassador 'killed in Libya'

I thought US Embassies were supposed to be guarded by US Marines? Why didn't they open fire on the attackers? Attackers forcing their way into an embassy is technically an invasion of US soil.

I've got a bad feeling the answer is probably something to do with Obama. It maybe used to be standard to have USMC guarding embassies, but the Kneel-Before-Zod-er in Chief has likely done away with that at some point.

Still, your claim that Christian terrorism stopped "over a hundred years ago" is patently false as I illustrated with the previous examples of Christians committing terrorist acts.

You mention the number of attacks, but if we're going to get in an argument over "quantity" why not the number of those human lives affected instead of just attacks? Looking at your list, so few people are killed in each of those attacks (with the notable exception of 9/11). Islamic attacks have nothing on the number of people killed (tens of thousands), tortured, children abducted (upwards of 100,000), and displaced (upwards of 2 million) by the Lord's Resistance Army. Their leader is the self-proclaimed spokesperson for God on Earth. And that's just one violent Christian extremist group. Let's not forget George W. Bush, who believed he was on a mission from God who told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan in order to "get peace in the Middle East", resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

I agree that it's unfair to compare the actions of radical American christians to the actions of radical muslims. On a worldwide scale there's simply no comparison to be made.

How come African christians get a pass though? Is it because they're mostly fighting muzzies? Nigeria, for instance, is a pretty fucked up place thanks to both those religions.

How about we just agree that the vast majority of people, regardless of nationality, race or religion, are fundamentally good people doing their best to make their way in the world and scratch out a little bit of happiness for themselves and the people they care about?

And how about we also agree that there are a few very bad, possibly even evil, people, who take advantage of, steal from, abuse and sometimes even murder the good people?

And that these few bad people make life much harder for the mostly good people? Can we agree on that, too?

See my above post. The number of attacks does not matter, the number of human lives destroyed is what matters. Which is worse: one attack where 1,000 die or 10 attacks where 100 total die?

Absolutely. A small minority of people are always going to be violent shitheads no matter their religion or nationality, sometimes using religion or nationality to justify their violent psychopathy.

Everybody's farts stink, so we should start being more polite to one another by not farting in each other's faces and maybe change our diets to have less stinky farts.

1 to 1.5 million people explicitly exterminated because they were Christians? Yes, it compares in scale - it was damn near all of the ones they could reach.

The term GENOCIDE was created for THIS INCIDENT. Look it up.

Fuck, you guys are bending over backward. This is a disproportionate amount of violence in the name of Islam in the world today.

The West, when it engages in wars, does not do so in the name of Christianity. There are many Islamic theocracies.

"And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did." -- President George W. Bush.

Well, there was that whole Shia'a/Sunni thing. Kind of like Protestant/Catholic in MF's neck of the woods - religion as an excuse for tribal war.

The ignorant need someone to hate. Otherwise they'd have to expend their anger by masturbating their penises into small stumps.

Now, that's going into WF Quotes!

Or in the case of Tasvir, masturbating with his stump.

Oh my fucking god, you dorks have taken this beyond politics, this is just blame game herp derp one upmanship.

What can we do? Obviously we can't pull our diplomatic ties, should we triple the garrisons in embassies that sit in Islamic countries?

Personally I say airdrop ipads full of every season of South Park.

Fair enough, there's some terrorism going on in the name of Christianity even now. The term 'terrorist attack' is what I was thinking of, and that's been rare, and usually we think of in terms of cells, as opposed to the term 'terrorism' being done by a governmental actor.

Personally I don't think the Ugandan idiots count, but the Bosnian idiots did.
And that of course doesn't equate with East Timor.

You looked at all 18000 incidents? I call bullshit. This is just another out.

There are many successful terrorist attacks, tens of thousands have been killed. This includes the London Bombings, the Madrid Bombings, the attacks in Jordan, the attacks against the Indian legislature, the Chechnayan separtists ( Riyad-us Saliheen Brigade of Martyrs), the Tamuli Tigers, Al Qaeda in Iraq, attacks in China, etc, ad nauseum. Again, I can't list them all.

That's the only 'Christian' violent group, and of course very few would acknowledge them Christians - not because 'they are doing evil, we don't accept them as Christians' but because their beliefs have as much to do with African Mysticism as the bible. Kony claims he's possessed by spirits.

Wiki's take on it:Ideologically, the group is a syncretic mix of mysticism, Acholi nationalism, Islam, and Christian fundamentalism,[7] and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and local Acholi tradition.[8][9]

These guys are about as close to Baptists or Catholics as Voodoo is (which also takes some Christian elements).

Yes, clearly a holy war. That's why we raised the Mosques, put up Churches, and every soldier swore an oath to god.

BUT BLAMING PEOPLE IS IMPORTANT!!1!

Can we focus on the fact that the US ambassador died? How about a little respect for the guy?

Yeah, I'm realizing how futile it is so I'm done with it.

We should probably censor Muhammad out of the opening credits and the Super Best Friends episode, though.

Invert that idea and I can agree to it.

A majority of the people on this planet are evil, selfish twats who cause all kinds of harm to their fellow man. The good people trying to live out their lives in peace are far outnumbered by the scumbags and degenerates in life.

Partly yes - as indicated by the theocratic government of Iran who said it was. Remember, Saddam was largely secular until he needed Islam as a weapon against the West.

But when the supreme ruler is a clear theocrat, yes, the fighting is always going to be couched in terms of Islam.

The war was started just as much by the Ayatollah Khamenei's urgings of the Shi'ai majority to stage a religious uprising and overthrow the Sunni ruling class in Iraq as it was by Hussein's desire to wrest territories away from what he considered a weakened frontier of Iran. This was the only other large Shi'a populace country, and Iran has always desired to bring the Shi'ites of the area under their sway. One of the largest pilgrimmage sites is in Iraq.

So yes, when Clerics urge holy war I consider it a religious fight.

When Presidents say the felt moved by god to do something, I don't - because the country didn't go to fight Iraq because of God.

If they cause harm towards me first, I have every right to defend myself and retaliate accordingly.

You want names?

a. No, since they started it, and...

b. They won't be in any position to retaliate, or do much of anything else when I'm through with them.

It wasn't a US embassy. It was the consulate office in Bengazi.