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Now we're pretending there's no way to approximate some objective measure of physical safety? Is that the game?

 

Of course it's straight out of the civil disobedience handbook, civil disobedience by its very nature draws the ire of the authorities. Have you seen a lot of well-behaved protests accomplish anything? The Tea Party shit might have gotten some Democrats out of office, but none of their stated goals have been accomplished.

Instead of bashing the OWS Protesters and the police, maybe we should be paying more attention to the fact that it's impossible to have a protest of any meaningful impact without breaking the law.

 

So break the fucking law in a way that doesn't threaten public safety or interfere with an actual employed person's ability to get to work.

 

Roads are public property, and there's no constitutional right to a traffic free commute, there is on the other hand a constitutional right to peaceably assemble.

 

Nobody is asking for a traffic-free commute. You and twinkletits up there need to quit trying to float transparent little distortions like that, as if nobody would notice.

What I do expect is that the street will be free of crowds standing there for the express purpose of obstructing me, however. If your position is that the right to peaceably assemble must include the right to deliberately and methodically block the streets, you can just go fuck yourself. Their "message" will be just as clear from the goddamned sidewalk.

 

Fine, set whatever speed you want, the point is still the same.

So the 1st Amendment is a right as long as it doesn't force you to take the long route to get to your dealer.

GOTTA GET MAH FIX NOW!

 

Wow.

 

Blocking the sidewalk is a crime.

Blocking traffic is a crime.

Not allowing 'common use' of a city park is a crime.

What good is the right to peacefully assemble if there isn't anywhere where you can legally do it?

 

Find another way around, park farther away, whatever. Once again, you don't have an inherent right to enjoy a traffic free or headache free commute.

 

Stop pretending I ever held up legality as the definitive measure, you dishonest little bullshitter.

They can have their petulant little tantrum from the sidewalk or the park for all I care. As long as they pick up after themselves and refrain from raping and vandalizing.

 

The other side of this is that your right to wave your fist in the air ends at my nose. Neither position is an absolute one.

 

Nor do they have an inherent right to stand in the fucking street. It is time for you two cheeky assbags to drop the bullshit portrayal of this as "rights of the righteous" versus "convenience of the petty conformists trying to do something trivial like getting to work". Moving someone to the sidewalk with their placard does not violate their rights, and they have no greater claim to convenience than I do. There is a way for the two interests to coexist without violating anyone's rights, and all you can bring up in opposition to it is "ngya herp FREE SPEECH!!11 ".

 

I must have missed the part of the First Amendment that says peacefully assembling includes harassing others not part of the assembly. Blocking my ability to move is most certainly harassment.

Perhaps you can point that part out?

 

Why do I need a permit to exercise my constitutional right to protest?

 

Because there are legitimate, practical concerns of safety and logistics that do not just fucking vanish at the wave of the "free speech" wand.

Freedom of expression is not and never has been unlimited in every way. If your message somehow becomes hopelessly lost if you're moved 30 feet away from your chosen spot, your "message" was one of weakness and douchebaggery.

 

Setting reasonable time/place restrictions (like prohibiting yelling "fire" in theatre) are part of the fine print of police-powers that are okay constitutionally.

 

I get where you're driving at, and I agree to a point. However, I point to the Boston Massacre.

 

Paul's right foot is forward and the other three have left foot forward, and Paul's the only one barefooted and he's holding his cig in wrong hand, and maybe that isn't even Paul. !! [and that license plate on the Bug says "28IF" which is how old paul would've been if it was him . . .]

 

What about it?

 

From my reading, it was not a peaceful protest (the British shooting aside), yet it was an important foundation of the Revolution (five years later). Without the resulting propaganda, it would have been harder for the Revolution to occur.

 

And?

 

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I hate to knock down your idea, but the Revolution was hardly popular, even after the violence. Approx. 1/3 of the country didn't know about it til months after it started. Another third (approx.) didn't care (so long as they could continue with their everyday lives), and the rest cared to varying degrees - mainly the people in the larger cities. The only reason the "massacre" was effective in riling people up was because it took place in the city, where people were actually mad at the Crown. Everyone else didn't give a fuck.

I'll also have you know that the colonists threw rocks and bricks at the soldiers before they responded. The soldiers were in danger. What do you think your chances of survival are in the 1700s if someone breaks your skull with a brick? Third, it wasn't even a massacre. All of 5 people died and some of the soldiers were convicted. People then turned it into a myth, a huge massacre of military oppression, but really any incident would have done the same in the cities.

Point is, who are the ones getting riled up over police brutality? The few who give a fuck. Everyone else is gonna look the other way because it's not affecting them. Just like 2/3 of the country didn't care or know about the revolution back then, most people aren't really incredibly offended by what is going on today. And with the media oversaturation we have these days, there's no way the movement is gonna take off just because of some pepper spray. Something huge is gonna have to happen for the movement to really solidify.

 

Good luck on getting the useful idiots to see your point.


The Corporate/Government Oligarchs don't want to free our system. They like Crony Capitalism.

 

So now "Occupy" is the early buildup to another American Revolution?



You chuckleheads aren't even trying anymore.

 

Which is why I think some cases of police overdoing it isn't gonna matter. For every blog saying "Police brutality!" there's another blog saying "OWS rape camps!" People are gonna have to get seriously wrongfully hurt by police/congress/businesses to get the right-wing blogs to shut up a bit.

 

Hmmm. I in no way support the Occupy movement but that pepper spray shit seems like a bit much to me.

It's too bad they had to suffer that for a movement that has no real idea what it wants, no idea on how to effectively acheive anything and has had so many awful people become a part of it.

 

Oh, not even fucking then.

I'm convinced at this point, they could gladly dig into their fast food baggies with a cotton candy fog around their brain, whilst crematorium chimneys chug full tilt in the background.