What is immoral about sex before marriage?

"Let's Pretend Marriages". Didn't you get the memo?

Yeah, like TLS and his "hot Latina wife".

Oh, kinda like your pretend marriage to the imaginary smokin' hot Latina! (D'oh... ninjaed by Shooter!)

If I were going to make up a wife, racist that I supposedly am, she'd be black.

So your partner is a hot Latino?

So "until heaven and earth disappear..." means "when Jesus dies on the cross and is resurrected." Goddamn, Dayton, and I thought Televangelists were bad at stretching scripture to suit their purpose.

In Matthew 10:15, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12, and Luke 17:29 Jesus used Sodom and Gomorrah as examples of God pouring out His wrath. That was Jesus. He is Emmanuel, or God (the Father) with us. He, the Father, and the Spirit in perfect triune fellowship. Further, the topic of marriage was visited in two different gospels. In Matthew 19:1-10, and Mark 10:1-12. In both cases the personal pronouns are quite clear, and exclusionary, in the Greek. In Matthew 15:19-20, John 8:11, Matthew 5:28, and John 4:18 we see examples of Jesus declaring that sexual relations outside of the bonds of marriage as sin. But, even addressing the argument on it's surface is unfair as it is an argument based only on silence. To suggest that Jesus approved of homosexuality simply because He did not use the term "homosexual," is to imply that He approved of necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality.

That said, while Jesus spent a great deal of time talking about sin and hell (more than anyone else in the Bible), His love and mercy also reached out to those who regretted and hated their condition. Forgiveness is a mark of genuine faith. We, as believers, should have compassion for all people, but at the same time, we can't condone sin in our own lives or churches. In short, let the world be the world and let the church be the church.

Nah, Unlike you I don't get memos from Bigoted Coprophage International™.








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Liet's posts were less about telling folks how Mormons operate and more about showing the fallacy about marriage being solely for the purpose of making children. His posts would apply to just about every sect of every Abrahamic religion.

Well, yeah, I'd agree with that, but he did say, "Mormons do not really believe that sex and marriage are all about the power of creation and procreation." In fact, they do, because of their more detailed (and generous -- no one is condemned straight to hell) beliefs of the afterlife.

As evolved animals, we have the ability to judge and mitigate risk. Well, perhaps some humans do not (eg Bristol Palen), but with education and outreach, this ability to have lots and lots of sex without risk becomes possible.

Jealous husbands......always the fly in the ointment.

Yet millions in the United States alone do not manage to avoid those risks. Thus what is possible is not very probable. You're arguing for the superiority of theory over actual practice.

No more ridiculous and stupid than most of what makes up religion. BTW I'm thinking "children's bible" is an exercise in redundancy. Would an adult with a more than single digit IQ believe in talking snakes? That said, I ran into a water moccasin last year that made a god-awful loud hissing, which I interpreted as "leave me the fuck alone" so I guess that's sort of talking. It didn't trick me though.

Water moccasins can be a nasty piece of work. I've always attributed it to them giving birth to their young instead of laying eggs. The largest poisonous snake I've ever seen was a water moccasin. My dad and I were coming back from checking the cows in the heat of the day one summer and in the middle of the road was something huge and black. Dad straddled it with the truck thinking it was the tire rim left by a big truck. It was only after we straddled with (without touching it) that we both realized from out last glimpse that it was an enormous snake.

Dad tried to back over it but it got off the road first. It was lumbering over the rocks on the side of the road and dad told me to grab a rock and hit it. I didn't bother. I told dad, "There's no rocks that going to hurt a snake that size".

It must've been a very old water moccasin.

So if your spouse dies and you remarry in a temple ceremony (is that allowed) how's that play out in the afterlife?

Smart move! Most snake bites occur from people messing with the snake. And small world, the snake I straddled (with my feet!) looked like a discarded bicycle tire in the road - all black and with ridges/bumps. Since then I bought some snake-proof boots from Gander Mountain and I love them. Even in the extreme heat they don't feel hot at all, and are very comfortable. It's nice focusing on the task at hand without constantly scanning for where you are stepping. As a side benefit chiggers can't attack my feet and legs either now.

It's almost as if Mormon beliefs made some kind of allowance for polygamy. But that can't be right, can it?

Chiggers and ticks seem to have declined rapidly since I was a kid. I've wondered if the prevalence of fire ants has crowded them out.

ftfy

Maybe they all came to Georgia, because they are relentless here. Luckily around here few ticks carry Lyme disease or any other diseases. But to be safe I have clothes treated with Permathrin for when I go out in the woods this time of year. But it kind of backfired - a couple of weeks ago it was holy-shit hot and I was sweating and working so hard I almost passed out. When I took off my sweat-soaked Permathrin treated clothese I put them in an airtight bag, to keep the permathrin packing a punch versus dissipating. So yesterday when I took the clothese out of the bag to go into the woods HOLY SHIT the smell was unbearable. I guess I was working so hard two weeks ago that I was sweating ammonia. Some kind of chemical thing involving lactic acid or something - google it for an explanation. Thus my ammonia sweat soaked clothes mixed with the Permathrin to create the most horrendous overpowering smell in history. File it under "lessons learned" I guess!

This coming in a thread where you've justified your views on social policy with reference to an obscure interpretation of an ancient text.

Besides, Cthulhu 7:21 says that I must fornicate at every possible opportunity. Why am I to obey your deity rather than him?

I wouldn't trust Dayton on anything dealing with morality. He's a atheist regarding virtually all the most widely accepted Pantheons. What can a guy who doesn't accept Zeus, or Jupiter, or Odin, or Ra, possibly contribute to a discussion on morality?

Not to mention Dionysus.

The most widely spread and accepted Holy Book in the entire world and the interpretation that is most widely accepted.

No matter what else you think about Christianity and the Bible "obscure" does not apply.

If I were a gambling man I would wager that 90% or more of your own countrymen agree with me.

Premarital sex is widely seen as acceptable here.
But appeals to popularity will get you nowhere. The interpretation is obscure, regardless of how many bigots blindly adhere to it.

How can you justify claiming that?

Because I am apparently familiar with the texts in a way that you are not, despite your deification of them.
Your reading of Matthew in particular is utterly ridiculous. Matthew was written by and for a community that did not see the old Jewish law as having expired. But that's what happens when you try to graft a consistent narrative onto a diverse set of inconsistent ancient writings to justify your desire to oppress people in the here-and-now.

Read a fucking dictionary, 'tard.

And yet all the anti-gay stuff is not in the new testimony so why the double standard?