Woman Jailed for Purchasing Abortion Pills for Teen Daughter

As usual Dinner a.k.a Confederate Son didn't bother to read the article. That or he doesn't mind women chancing irreparable harm to their bodies all in the name of expediency.

So we can put T.R down for "doesn't understand the difference between the external ultrasound Aenea's referring to and a transvaginal ultrasound or he really doesn't care because these hoors need to be punished" and "these hoors should keep their kids and reflect upon their sin as long as they don't do with my tax dollars."

I seriously doubt there is a single woman out there who hasn't heard of adoption before. This is all about creating obsticles and making the process as traumatic and difdicult as possible.

Insert the line about 50% of people being dumber than average...

Jesus have you ever spent time in a jr high/high school? Counseled a teenage girl who just found out she was pregnant?

The misconceptions about adoption are rampant and they come from the parents/grandparents, depending on who is raising the kid.

Right, because she JUST found out she was pregnant 5 minutes ago and she really does need 24 hours to think it over.

I was once a teenage girl. Hell, I was even a pre-teen girl and was very aware of adoption and motherhood and abortion. If anyone thinks counseling is telling a girl anything she doesn't already know, they need to think again. And anyone who thinks they are not swaying the decision of an impressionable young girl and guilting her into changing her mind is intentionally deluding themselves.

Got me. I was never a 16 year old girl with a 2 month late period who bought her own pregnancy test.

Got me I've not taught or counceled 8th grade girls who were pregnant.

Got me I've never taught and counceled high school girls who found themselves pregnant.

I bow to your vast experience of the teenage girl.

"Counseling" often really means doctors being mandated to give women false or misleading information intended to persuade them not to have an abortion.

The main purpose of the waiting periods is to increase the financial burden on women who live a long distance from the nearest clinic. (And making sure the nearest clinic is as far away as possible is another major focus of backdoor attempts to ban abortion without actually banning it.)

I'll admit that living in a liberal state my entire life, I do have to be reminded of not everyone being as open with their kids as my family was with me. I've come across several women in the Navy that are close to my age who said they got little or no discussion about sex of any kind.

With that said, adoption is often far more expensive than in vitro, and there's the long wait that people do not want to do. That, and many couples want to have the experience of going through a pregnancy. Getting over those barriers would do more to prevent abortions than the rest of the legislation out there IMO.

Come on. Even the least informed person has heard of adoption and can look iit up if they want to do so. There is no valid reason for these restrictions especially since the poor woman has to pay for it. This is about driving up the costs, creating still more obsticles, and trying to guilt her out of a decision she has already made. There simply is no valid informational purpose and that claim is just a pretext.

Then why make the woman pay for this "counciling" instead of making it free? If the hate filled bible thumpers feel women truly don't know adoption is a choice then clearly they'd be willing to do ate money. Of course, they don't because even stupid bible thumpers know that excuse is a crock of shit. They just want to keep adding to the finacial burden so some women won't effectively have a choicce. You know it, I know it. Just like how the antichoice diirtbags in Texas don't give a shit about public health and instead just want to use that excuse to shut down family plaanning clinics.

The anti choice people have a decades long record of lying and using pretexts to try to prevent abortion from being an option. They have even publicly admitted their goal with these restrictions iss to efffectively outlaw abortion. It is obvious.

Are you seriously telling me that you have actually spoken with a 12 year old girl who has never heard of adoption?

Hey, I've met an American-born guy on my last ship that hadn't a clue how to use a Q-Tip*, so anything's possible.

*And yet, he was trusted by the United States Navy to be competent enough to be an Electrician's Mate.

Not sure why it's so difficult for some people here to believe that there are twelve year old girls out there who don't know how adoption works. For goodness sakes they only recently experienced puberty. How much knowledge do you guys expect kids of that age to have?

There are very, very, very few 12 year olds having abortions especially since most of the states which have these restrictions have also outlawed 12 year olds getting abortion. TR is just pretending to be stupid. This mostly.effects.women in their 20's and, yes, it is a lie designed to create obsticles. The anti choice people have already publicly admitted that.

In short both TR and the anti choice people are just dishonest.

It's not about whether they've heard about adoption. It's what they've heard... Read my posts again.

The things that come out of their mouths or their legal guardians is absurd...it's the fifties...

It mostly affects women in their 20's . Have you seen the American statistics on teen births?

And that has zero medical relevance. If they think women are too stupid to make choices for themselves then start a public education campaign, run ads on tv, and advocate for their case. Putting legal restrictions in place is complete bull shit though.

Teen pregnancies are at record lows while most women who get abortions ARE in their 20's. FACT!

Also if the bible thumpers would stop opposing real sex ed there would be even fewer teen pregnancies and public health would improve even more. They aren't interested in that though any more than they are interested in caring for children of single women after they're born. Those are just additional ways in which they are horriible people as well as big government nazis trying to force their personal religious beliefs on to other people.

Just to be clear, I had one well educated, had seen more than our small slice of Earth, grandmother, who was raising her granddaughter, tell me when said granddaughter got pregnant AND I mentioned adoption, tell me "what so this kid can marry its sibling one day". Jesus

Even well educated people can stick their heads into the sand regarding old beliefs. This leads to persuasion over the kid that a teacher/counselor can't overcome.

It still makes me want to strangle someone.

It amuses me that the gold standard for discussing abortion is having a vagina, yet when someone who actually has a vagina tries to discuss points that run counter to the chosen narrative, a bunch of people who (supposedly) don't have vaginas jump on her shit.

Teen pregnancy and abortion at record lows. Shit hole red states are the worst, as always, mainly because they continue to oppose real sex ed and women's health access.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/05/teen-pregnancy-at-all-time-low/361810/

Most women who get abortions are mostly in their 20's.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

Honestly the whole "you have to live in that subject's shoes in order to discuss it" was a load of crap to begin with. It was just a means that people were using to ignore different points of view and shut down debate. Since they can't use that excuse here they just dismiss it because their favorite boogeymen suposedly had evil motives against women when the laws were enacted. One way or the other they will never acknowledge the validity of the counter argument. That possibility can never exist.

It is funny how about 70% of women disagree based upon their voting patterns. Please continue telling them that you know better than them and how it is all in their imaginations that certain old white men keep trying to take their rights away. I am sure that will get them to change their minds.

Yes, once.

Perhaps you can give us an example of a similar dilemma from a male POV. Yanno, something that would permanently alter your life with the same impact.

This is exactly the kind of thing that can actually reduce abortion numbers. There are proven methods to reduce incidence of teen pregnancy, to support poor or young pregnant women who choose the adoption route, and other ways to lessen the number of unwanted pregnancies. But nobody wants to do that in some states, so you end up with fifteen year olds who get pregnant because they don't know how to avoid it.

Resources applied intelligently would eliminate this issue. :smh:

Hope your not talking to me the pro choice person. Just because I've had to do several of the things that you are railing against ( and I don't think are horrible), doesn't mean you need to get nasty.

I think he is railing against the requirement that a woman receive counseling and wait 24 hours. I do not believe he is railing against you offering advice to young women. Advice and education are always a good thing. Structural requirements that lessen access to a medical service are not a good thing.

I agree, however when that happens there are things that I think are still good ideas for any medical procedure. So maybe they should be standard practice from medical boards or pharmaceutical boards instead of laws.

Antidotal evidence here. I have a friend who her father took her to get an abortion at 14, (the father of the baby was actually the guy who became her husband) if she even thinks she is pregnant she freaks the fuck out and she is 33. At 30 she tried to get pregnant but as soon as she thought she was she freaked out and they stopped trying. If she had been counseled at the time would it have helped her now?

And yes I know it's not just teens. But just because white kids do good on tests should we forget about minorities? Just because some women look up information and know exactly what they are getting into should we say screw it to those who think it's just getting rid of a problem and don't look at it better?

Let me get this straight, teenage girls are too stupid to figure out how not to get pregnant, but somehow are smart enough to know everything there is to about adoption and abortion?


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