Woman Jailed for Purchasing Abortion Pills for Teen Daughter

Oh yeah? Well how do you explain jazz hands?

I do not explain jazz hands.

More ghey means less abortions.

Well, abortions are time-sensitive, gun ownership not so much.

And abortions can't be used to kill other people, unless fetuses are people, in which case waiting until you get to kill them doesn't really help matters.

Can Federal Farmer last five minutes without thinking about guns?

Maybe someone is holding a gun to his head.

Abortions are time sensitive, but it doesn't mean there shouldn't be restrictions on them. Giving a girl counseling is hardly that horrible of a restriction. All rights have restrictions; voting, guns, speech, smoking, drinking, why are abortions the one special right that gets special treatment?

Mostly because it is a medical decision which should be left to medical professionals and patients without dirt bag politicians trying to stick their noses up women,s vaginas? There is absolutely no medical purpose for these restrictions so the bible thumpers need to learn to mind their own damn business.

The only reasons for these bills are to drive up costs for women, to harass them, and to funnel money to antiabortion groups who get to charge $200 to berate some poor woman.

FF don't ever try to claim you are for small government or libertarianism ever again.

I'm not a bible thumper and I'm against the ultrasounds, but making someone get information before an abortion and making sure they take 12-24 hours to think about the decision after professionals have made sure all options are theoretically on the table...it's a good thing.

Guilt and religion should never play a part, just cold hard facts.

Clearly you don't know what an ultrasound is.

But its not just bible thumpers who think women or teenage girls should be counseled or given all options before going ahead with an abortion. The woman still gets to make the decision. It's not like the Pope is standing in every clinic telling women they can't have the abortion. Decisions like that shouldn't be strictly medical, it's also a moral decision. Should a fourteen year old have a kid, no, but their decision should be an educated one.

I am for limited government and I am a libertarian.

What information? You make it sound like there's some secret women don't know about when they go in for an abortion. Like they have no idea they're killing a fetus or something.

I can't speak for Aenea, but I'm pretty sure we're not talking about grown women, but teenage girls.

You're probably not aware but they have counseling or info gatherings for people who are having surgery or other medical procedures. Like if ya getting a knee replacement, mastectomy, by-pass, etc. So why not for an abortion?

You must have missed the vaginal probe issue a couple years ago.

The anti-abortion groups promoting this idea say it serves patients’ rights — a way to empower women with information. That argument held in nine other states that have adopted ultrasound requirements in recent years.

But in Virginia, abortion rights advocates succeeded in reframing the proposal in the public mind as, instead, an outrageous threat to women’s dignity. With their argument that the bill would force many women to undergo invasive vaginal ultrasounds, they helped start an uproar that led Virginia’s governor and Legislature to back down and seek a weaker ultrasound law.

The original bill did not explicitly mention vaginal ultrasounds, which involve placing a wand inside the body. But it required doctors to offer patients a clear picture of the fetus and a chance to listen to its heartbeat. In the first trimester, when most abortions take place, that requires a vaginal probe, not the “jelly on the belly” abdominal scans done later in the pregnancy, when the fetus is larger.

Abortion rights advocates seized the opportunity. “Akin to rape,” one legislator called the bill. “Asking doctors to commit a sex crime,” declared another. Liberal women’s groups fanned outrage over “forced vaginal penetration,” and Virginia was mocked on comedy shows.
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Thank you Steve. Did not know about the invasive ultrasounds.

These ones aren't on the outside. The probe must be inserted into the vagina thus the name rape ultrasounds.

No, these laws apply to all women not just pregnant teens.

Do we legislate such rules for other medical decisions?

Those are all voluntary help groups. The antichoice dirtbags are not only forcing women to go in and be berated but they also force them to pay, sometimes up to $200, for the privilage of being verbally abused and called names because you can bet the anti choice protesters will be there to. That money usually goes to anti choice groups and is used to further attack womens rights.

Spleen counseling??

Any state that requires these restrictions should also provide funding for overnight stays for those who have to drive long distances because that state has passed legislation shutting down local abortion clinics.

I'm pro choice. Fuck it.

I will tell you most Teenage girls in my area aren't really aware of adoption its keep the kid or abortion. Mainly keep the kid. We have a DHS worker in the local high school who did give up a kid as a teenager and she does try to talk to girls when we find out they are preggers. But adoption just isn't done it seems.

I've had around 50 internal ultrasounds they are WAY less invasive than either a yearly or what I would imagine a medically performed abortion would be. (Note as compared to a pill which isn't invasive) Not that I think you should have to have an ultrasound before an abortion unless it is to check to see if the fetus is "living" and would abort without assistance.

Also it has become routine for pregnant women to get a ultrasound at 6 weeks. This seems to run alongside this issue if you think about it.

And abortions are incredibly painful from the women I know that have had DNC's. It's labor just like a miscarriage. I think you should have to think about what the procedure is really going to do to your body like with any medical procedure. And All women should know what is going to happen after you take these pills and have to think about how it will affect their bodies like any elective procedure. And elective procedures (or at least all I've had) have a briefing about what's going to happen and a period to think after setting up the procedure.

Not to mention if your opinion will be swayed by 24 hours whose to say you should go through with such a big decision. I understand there are circumstance like the OP where it's hard to get to a doctor two days in a row, but it's an elective procedure. Even taking a pill, considering you are inducing a miscarriage where many things can go wrong. This isn't just the morning after pill.

TR is ignoring that the whole reason this happened is because the anti choice liars made it so difficult and expensive to get a safe legal abortion in so many states. How convenient of him.

If as much time, effort, and resources were invested in improving methods and access to contraception as are poured into "Don't Kill Your Baby!" campaigns, abortion would dwindle into minuscule numbers. But then these people would have to find some other way to get on the 6 o'clock news...

There's a newer one that's inserted into the vagina. It's supposed to give more accurate info than the traditional one but many states are requiring the vaginal ultrasound be done to confirm pregnancy. A lot of women aren't comfortable with lady visits, and red state politicians are banking on that when passing laws like that.

Thankfully, with gay marriage being a universal thing within the next five years (if that long), there's an even bigger pool of prospective adoptive parents. Many of the gay couples I see around here adopt the black and Mexican kids that usually stay in the system growing up.

Which is why I'm opposed to the mandatory 24 hour wait. It doesn't achieve the supposed goal, but only places an obstacle in front of the woman who has chosen to abort.