Women need code of conduct to prevent sexual assault

He blames the phone, but I think we all know it's the drinking.

I refuse to be a victim also. But, that doesn't dictate how I dress. I dress the way I want. I carry myself with confidence. I don't back down and act submissive when some moron says stupid shit.

But, if something did happen, as @oldfella1962 says, society (doesn't matter if you specifically believe it @oldfella1962) will say it's the woman's fault. This is why women do not report rape.

It's the exact same thing that happens in Muslim cultures. The only difference is the severity of the punishment for the woman.

So, once again, I ask, what is the difference between Islam and Christianity? Oh, the severity of the punishment for the woman. and that is the only difference.

This either needs to become a coding portmanteau for asynchronously assimilating different APIs, or for when @Asyncritus finally goes mental and makes his own Borg collective and we need a new noun for his actions

In fact, along with Dayton's Greatest Hits, we could knock up a WF neonym thread for spelling mistakes and make our very own Meaning of Liff

You guys in the U.S. don't comprehend what impact the shit that happened in Cologne has for Germany and Europe. It seems like all conspiracy theories of rightwing extremists have become true. A mob of a thousand immigrants attacked girls in a European city. The government and the press tried to hide it for five days because of p.c., but failed miserably. Something like that never happened before, not since WW2. This was an earthquake.

Alas, perhaps something good will come out of it. A few months ago, I wrote in another thread that the debates in Germany will become more rational and the German immigration policy more sane. Fuck I was wrong... Perhaps things will get better now and the Germans find a balance between "everybody is welcome, things will be great, multiculturalism ftw!" and "refugees fuck off, muslim scum go home, please die!"

The Germans are strange. But there's still hope for them!

One thing @Dinner has been right about it how craven the media have been in reporting this, it depressing to see how news outlets - usually so fervent in digging out truth - opted for obfuscation.

If they were all immigrants, and I'd say it's quite likely, then it's still a small percentage. And they should be treated in such a way that, if any of the others are under the illusion it was acceptable to behave that way, it's clarified in no uncertain terms that such attitudes towards women will result in Bad Things happening to the perpetrators. Hell, geld the fuckers and ensure the video of it is played to all new arrivals.

I agree. However, you are speaking about Germany here, the homeland of p.c.... A country where immigrants can spit policemen in the face. The Police will do nothing because "racism!!!". It is insane. I fear the backlash.

I lost a lot of respect for the Germans lately. They are not able or willing to protect their own daughters from sexual harassment. A helpless police, weak politicians, the media censores itself. Many Europeans pity them, especially in the countries of East Europe. Poland and Hungary -which are critisized by the German media all the time because of being too rightwing - laugh their asses off.

People will only put up with it so long, it took a loooong time for the police to do anything about abuse against vulnerable children by Asian gangs, but they had little choice with tensions rising again and the right wing gaining traction. Germany will undergo the same thing.

We're seeing a general, if not huge, shift towards the right across Western Europe when it come to immigration, and much of it's down to the more left-wing handing non-white groups almost protected species status. That is not what we signed up for with greater equality, and it's pretty damning that many on the left have reached a far-right level view of immigrants status as people, only from pity rather than hate. It's like they hired Bizarro Dayton or something.

I honestly have no idea what the centre-left are thinking of in Europe. I can understand in the UK, the left here have a rich history of self-hatred and will cheerfully elevate anything not British whilst doing their level best to denigrate anything British as being the unwelcome trappings of Empire. The continent has done a bang-up job of self-censoring it's own imperial history so it can jump on any passing high horse or bandwagon trundling by, so I'd expect a more measured attitude as opposed the UK's battle between post-imperial guilt and White Van Man's Burden driving the desire to help refugees from one side, and wanting to send them all back on the other.

This. A thousand times.

"It's the exact same thing that happens in Muslim cultures. The only difference is the severity of the punishment for the woman." - Jenne

I disagree and here's why: In Muslim cultures the religion = the justice system. If Christianity has a "chop off her head" idea of women getting raped they cannot enforce that justice. US laws dictate punishment/outcomes for the rapist and the rape victim. That's what I like about the US (and the west in general). Your religion's power
is limited to functioning within the law - in much of the sandbox your religion's power is the law.

And yet you vote Republican, do you not? And the Republican platform has been to denigrate women, reduce and/or remove all their rights, and generally make laws according to the Bible.

Now, you can say you don't support that, but you can say anything you want. When you vote, your actions speak louder than words. If you truly do not want the US to become like Saudi Arabia and have religion = the justice system, vote Democrat - or even better, vote for Bernie.

Then, I'll believe you. Until then, you're talking out of your ass.

Much of it is guilt and perception of the WWII winners toward them over WWII. They are trying to live that down. Fuck that! The war has been over for many years - now there is a new war. This war is basically sanity versus insanity. German, the US, England, you name and free society, are all on the same team. Germany has no obligation to bend over backwards to prove how kind and tolerant they are. We need a strong Germany right now, and we need to support them in handling this crisis. Yes, IMO it's a crisis. The US is used to crazy assed rape and violence and chaos - it's what we do and what we tolerate and what we expect. But modern Germany not so much. They should be proud of their safe well managed stable nation - but the crazies will see them as weak, and take advantage of their weakness. Sorry, radical Islam is incredibly barbaric and I hate to drag out the old "all they understand is force" but do the math. Germany (and free societies) have two choices:
1) kick ass
2) kiss ass

Are you seriously equating the fight over reproductive rights with stoning a woman to death because she got raped?

WTF? Don't lay that guilt trip on me. The Democrats aren't fucking angels by a long shot. Sell that shit somewhere else or trust me I can drag up tons of facts negating what you said.

No need to explain this to me. Send your post to Merkel... You Americans brainwashed ze Germans after WW2, this is why they are so pitiful these days.

Are you seriously suggesting your behavior is better than the other guy - cuz he did THIS!!! I didn't do THIS!! I only did THAT!

You sound like selfish child.

Never said they were. I'm just saying your actions speak louder than words. If you vote republican, you are supporting religion = the justice system.

You think I vote Republican (which is automatically evil in your book, apparently). And yes, I am suggesting that stoning a woman to death is a lot worse than anything a Republican would legislate, even if I'm not a fan of them, either.

You're really one to talk.

So, you think ..., murder is worse than say ... burglary, then burglary is ok, because it's not as bad as murder.

Please, don't respond. You're embarrassing yourself - to a Kirk1adm level.

Susan B. Anthony went to jail for putting on a pair of pants and voting the straight Republican ticket. Eleanor Roosevelt wrote an article about why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Republican women are for equality and independence on a woman's terms. They still get to have babies and be moms, moms with guns and law degrees. Democrat women are supposed to be radical lesbian communists or something.

Oh? is this 1850? Cuz the Republican Party of even 40 years ago is vastly different from the Republican Party of today.

and .. you're second statement is so anti-women I wouldn't even know whereto begin to dispute it.

Last time they were like "Hitler shot himself? Holy fuck! We actually might lose this war!"

They are still very good at sticking to the script and tend to censor anyone who seriously questions the chosen path. There's some element of "if we believe hard enough it will be true." Whether closing down all their nuclear plants and turning to solar (which isn't going to work out for them) or unlimited immigration, they'll be the last to see that the plan isn't working out. And then comes a shock they can't ignore and they have to completely rethink.

Colonel John Boyd wrote an essay explaining how sentient beings think that well describes this, called Destruction and Creation. We build a mental model of the world that is necessarily incomplete and flawed. As we receive information that doesn't quite match, we keep amending the model and noting exceptions, and the entropy in the model builds up. Sometimes the entropy hits such a level, the gap between observation in prediction so vast, that we tear down the overly complicated and incorrect model, reexamine all the data before us, and build a simpler and more elegant model to describe the world. You might describe it as an epiphany. "Holy smoke, my husband hasn't been working late the past 5 years, he's been banging the secretary."

At some point I figured Germany would realize that atoning for the Holocaust is not done by importing millions of people who hate Jews more passionately than the Nazis ever did. Unfortunately Europe has missed a chance to fill their immigrant quotas with all the Middle Eastern Christians and Yazidis who were forced to flee the region. As both Europe and the US know from long experience, Middle Eastern Christians are us. It's like taking in displaced Germans, Brits, or Belgians. Yet even the US administration is refusing to accept them as refugees - under the bizarre theory that they're not being attacked by any government, just violent terrorist armies. So they go to the very back of the line.

Willful stupidity is still stupidity.

He actually thinks the modern Democratic party has the same platform as the 1860 party. You can't argue with that kind of stupid.

Wow, self awareness at last!

At least their 1860 platform wasn't "The rich will pay for free food for all our black slaves!" Now, not so much.

But, it was "everyone pays their share of taxes". and magically, all the bills were paid and the middle class wasn't overburdened.

Yeah. Thankfully slaves weren't taxed at the full rate so all the Democrats were happy.

Did we not just establish that the political parties of the 1850s are not the same political parties of today? If that's going to be your whole argument, you need to stop now. Because you're in over your head.

I would love to help Germany get their testicles back. But sadly it won't be long until the US is reduced to a wincing, timid, politically correct, cowering, estrogen enveloped shadow of itself.