Youngkin pardons the father whose daughter was raped in a Loudoun school bathroom

Not exactly a denial there, twinkletits.

And your little "you can't see the real me!! I'm a poker hand!! I'm a poker hand!! Gools! Gools!" shtick is so fucking clever.
Also, babies who hide their face really disappear.

I know you can't keep up and do not like giving me more ammo to shoot you down, so I am fine with you skipping the circular argument you would make.

It may be reprehensible, but it is what happens to young girls all over the country when they report a sports hero, a member of the clergy, or some other form of male achieving. This is not a trans thing, it is what is happening all across america. It is part of the #metoo movement. You seem to be ignoring all of those shenanigans. If she had been molested by a cishet popular boy it would have been brushed off as what he gets to do because he is just being a man.

This sort of thing happens all the time in the cishet world. You excuse it as boys being boys and sometimes they might get a bit rough. There is a whole fucking world of youtube videos on how to force yourself on a girl as a guy. The only problem you have is this kid used trans as an excuse.

This shit happens all the fucking time when the star football player rapes a young girl and then the school and parents persecute her because she is ruining the boy's reputation and the team's reputation. You never freak out about this. It is so common it is tiresome to follow because it happens all the time. The school knows how to do these things because it does them all the time for the normal guys.

You never cared about it at all. This father would have never cared about it or believed his daughter if it wasn't a freak who attacked her. If it was the popular boy everyone would have called her a slut and said she wanted it and encouraged him.

I am not saying don't punish this guy. You are full of shit when you all of a sudden are up in arms about this common thing when you have brett kavenaugh as a supreme court justice who did the same thing to a girl. You have donald trump as POTUS who would go backstage at his teen beauty pageants and watch the girls undress and I am pretty sure grabbed some women by the pussy. You have clergy all over the place raping girls and boys and you are worried about this one instance. It is daily in the church and you are all caught up in this one.

There is a reason. it is because you accept that it happens to girls and you enjoy it. You want it that way. you are a sexist creep and have always been. This kid couldn't play sports and be the hero so he could rape the prom queen, so he put on a skirt and tried to sneak in the bathroom. This is a cisgendered thing.

Because she’s stunning and brave.

Girls never assault other girls in the bathroom.
and I'm absolutely certain no boy has ever been beaten up in the boys bathroom.

Wow. That was subtle. Almost had me going on how we raped that kid back in highschool. Of course we used broom handles so it was on the up and up.

Yea, so subtle.

Humans are fucking degenerate animals and will fuck up another human for whatever reason.

keeping trans kids out of specific bathrooms is a bullshit way of pretending everything that happens in that bathroom will always be on the up and up.

The question to take out of this is why on earth would educated people in charge of educating children initially deny a rape happened when it actually did, fail to report the rapist to the police, allow the rapist back into school and then allow the rapist to delete evidence

Wokeness virtue signaling.

Yep, things aren't always going to be on the up and up, therefore nothing should ever be done to prevent anything from ever happening.

Asserts claim not in evidence.

My concurrence (on multiple points not just that one) derives from this (which should be obvious:

If my asserted identity is fluid or non-binary, that basically by definition means that I am no more or less triggered to dysphoria by being "lumped in" with a male binary designation as a female one. Thus, there's no inherent reason I would be more comfortable in the group I was not associated with at birth as in the one that I was. Both a female toilet and a male one should be of equal status to me, so I should take my (in this case) penis into the room where folks tend to think a penis should go - why make waves when one is not more suited than the other?

Now, such a person may well prefer a unisex or single use facility and if so that should be accommodated - but trans accommodations which allow persons assumed male at birth who identify as female to use female spaces (and vice versa) are entirely predicated on binary sorting which wouldn't be applicable to this person.

(even if we take their claim in good faith which may or may not be warranted but we don't have enough first hand knowledge to draw a conclusion)

I've never remotely hinted at the idea that a trans person is incapable of crime of a sexual nature or otherwise. Hell, a trans identified person shot up a school in Nashville recently - you should be able to cite me declaring a trans person would never do that - if I had.

Apparently, because the person and the girl had a previous intament relationship, or at least this was a potential factor.

The poor handling of this whole situation derives, IMO, at its foundation from the reactionaries turning a logistical matter into a culture war. Laying aside a sloppy policy that shouldn't have included a non-binary identity in this particular accommodation (for reasons stated above) if there was no fear of a political firestorm, then there was no reason to scramble to obfuscate what happened. There's a sexual assault? Fine, we do the things we'd do upon learning of any other sexual assault and the identity of anyone involved would be basically irreleavant.

And while there are solid points here, the exact same people who worry that failure to handle this rape case in an expedient fashion is a fallout of inclusion which is why they must oppose inclusion have ZERO recorded comments distressed over the fact that states and cities with "spend less money!" governments allow hundreds of rape kits stack up untested, preventing the pursuit of any justice.

If indeed they have a pure and noble concern that cases of rape be addressed forthrightly - why does this never come up among the anti-trans activists?

It's fair to question motives.

So you're blaming the people that would have reacted poorly to someone grossly mishandling a rape case - which, let's be honest, should be everyone - over the people who actually grossly mishandled the rape case

That certainly is a take

would they call the person trans if the mechanics of the rape were cis?

It just strikes me that if one is aspiring to live as a woman, but still finds their sexual gratification as a man would (rapey part aside), then they aren't trans.

Any of our trans members willing to weigh in on their preference between penetrating and being penetrated?

dude... seriously, jsut shut up.

even on those rare moments when you are close to a point, you're such a moron that it only serves to diminish it.

Very good point. The reality is the agressive male action of penetration would be very painful for a trans woman considering having an erect penis and penetrating a female would completely highlight the fact they were male.

This is exactly why it is a cishet male fantasy and not trans.

IMO it is a little simpler than that. School administration is just so used to trying to hide abuse of females that it was a reflexive reaction to try and cover it up. There may have been a little bit of strangeness to them doing it to keep the trans thing from blowing up, but it is just the natural reaction of school admins to hide sexual assault dangers in schools. They do it all the time so it just becomes what they do. It is what the community expects because you will ruin a young male's life by saddling the poor animal with a lifelong felony. Young girls are supposed to be the prize of boys, even the ones wearing dresses.

This is the core of the conservative INCEL male. They are owed a woman due to existing, and it is the selfish girls who are holding out on them when they are clearly what is "good" for them. You cannot have that core belief without tryi9ng to cover up the abuses of entitled males. This is core to the sexism in america and the world. This is way beyond trans.

Oh look, here comes Mr. segway trying to get this train back on track to blaming the trans community for trying to cover this shit up when really it is just the natural reaction of a school administration to cover up sexual assault on school girls. Tons of butthurt luback is here to remind us of the evil leftist boogeyment who control the world just to make everyone let trans people rape all the girls without a care.

BTW thank you for getting back to your job and tldr repping all my fucking posts. It would be nice if you could keep your focus and not slack off in the future. While you were fucking around in your whatever the fuck you do when you are not here revolving around me, poor fucking @Gnome Chomsky had to pick up your fucking slack.

my posts are not going to rep themselves, so fucking get to it!

Firing and jailing the school administration for the coverup seems like a largely sufficient corrective action. But at the same time, it seems clear that protecting trans-inclusive policies from public backlash was a possible motive for the coverup in the first place, and I think that’s important to find out. What’s the actual (not assumed ) history of sexual assault at that school or in that district and how has it been handled? Were they protecting their reputation or their politics? It matters because the administration has to be replaced, and it needs to be replaced with the right people. And if no one in the whole damn school administration was willing to protect the rest of the children in their district by reporting the assault to the police (are they not all mandatory reporters?) or even offering counseling to the victims, that suggests something very ugly that’s clearly widespread among people who most support that policy, and additional scrutiny is warranted in hiring their replacements, or that they were all craven cowards so worried about their own reputation that they were all, without defection, willing to minimize the assault and cover it up. I can’t rule that out. But it’s 5 day-old sushi levels of fishy that literally no one in the administration was willing to report the assault to police.

And no, I don’t think the policy needs to change. If the perpetrator was willing to do what they did, a Helvetica Woman sign on the door was not going to stop them (and that’s all anyone had to say in its defense). But that doesn’t make it okay to try to head off unwarranted criticism of it by covering up a crime. The other children, cis and trans alike, have a right to a rapist-free school. The policy can handle unwarranted criticism. The children cannot take an unwarranted rapist released into their school.

I've got no sympathy for the woman who was yelled at by the father at the school board meeting for telling the mother her daughter wasn't raped. That is some grade A fucked up shit right there quite clearly in service of protecting the policy from criticism (and I notice the progressive left here is oddly silent about that, even though that’s what got the cops involved in the first place). Yeah, it sounds like the dad deserves the pardon.

Between you pretending to be trans for trolling sake and the horrible litany of racist comments you’ve made on this site you’re far more harmful to the trans community than anyone else here. Don’t forget to put your adult diaper on before you go to bed

Over?

No. Just noting these things do not happen in a vacuum and often their are antecedents.

it's very complex. For example your orientation is involved too.

Anecdotally, none of the trans women I know well enough to have seen their view on this have ever expressed interest in "topping" - I certainly had quite a bit of distress about penetrating after I came out but sometimes (as in our case) you put up with it for the sake of a pre-existing relationship.

anyway, all of this is not entirely applicable to someone who claims to be "gender fluid" as the perp here did, because one presumes a binary penetrate/penatrated frame wouldn't be in play.

One more with no reply.

There is a significant subsection of trans people that don't believe their genitalia has anything to do with their gender. Psychologically I'm sure that's true for them. So that's a big reason why there's still some question about access to certain traditionally safe spaces. Some women feel threatened for example for showering with someone with male genitalia. Some spaces still have communal showering facilities, for example. A woman in Sweden was actually charged with a crime for repeatedly stating she didn't feel safe in that environment. Fortunately the charges were dropped.

The big thing to remember for most of us that aren't directly impacted by this is that trans is defined as a spectrum by medical professionals. It starts with gender dysphoria, and yes that can occur at young ages. But being trans isn't limited to people that go through all the available medical remedies for that gender dysphoria. While that's inclusive and in terms of many policies is actively helpful, it can impact traditionally women's spaces as defined by biology, and some women have problems with that, saying their rights are being taken away.

The pejorative term TERF is often used to address these women. Some of them are clearly transphobic. Some people say that anyone that doesn't want to share a shower with someone with the opposite genitalia is transphobic.

In general though most of these issues are women's issues, as traditionally we've provided safe spaces for women for privacy and in things like sports due to sexual dimorphism. There's an ongoing debate over transinclusion in rape shelters, for example.

IMO at this point in time in history we both need to have access for transpeople in those shelters, but also provide shelters without acccess for women that feel threatened by sharing an area with people that have male sex organs after they've been raped.

Of course, that makes me transphobic in many trans rights activists eyes, as it really gets down to the core issue of identity. Are they exactly equal to women? The common mantra 'transwomen are women,' for example. According to their gender dysphoria of course they are in their psychological space. That is what they are fighting for in terms of recognition.

But phsyiologically some still have significant differences. And that's where the question of whose rights are more important in that space.

Anyway, that's my take. Clearly opinions vary.

The later part is correct. Of course a sexual assault should be processed. In this case it wasn't. The school said it was going to handle this 'as an internal matter' according to the Grand Jury report. The girl wasn't even sent for a rape kit for hours, and that after the father in question had to be removed from the school because he was irate because his daughter's rape was being pushed under the rug.

There then was an extensive cover up, and the rapist was only charged after the second time the father lost his temper. This time at a public school hearing when a woman was harassing his wife (clearly shown on tape) and according to the witnesses involved said his daughter wasn't raped and that she'd ruin his business if he continued to say she was.

But to say the problem here is that the far right MADE the school administration attempt to coverup a rape, commit witness tampering, call the police on the father twice, commit perjury during the cover up, is borderline insane. Each of those actors made those choices on their own, one of them is no doubt going to jail for it, and for anyone with an ounce of objectivity in their brains the fault lies at the hands of people who are more concerned with their political agenda then the fact a girl was raped. The administration held a meeting about how this would impact the upcoming vote on the transinclusion policy before the suspect was even apprehended or the girl sent to the hospital. They then denied that meeting happened, refused to hand over evidence that clearly existed about the meeting (and is now part of the report), and every single person involved in the meeting claimed they had no memory of it.

And then they let it happen again at another school five months later.

Now I'm sure we are going to see another 50 times when the far right is wrong on these issues for each time they are right. Overall their stance is barbaric and dehumanizing.

But enough of this nonsense that if we admit any fault for any reason we are letting them win. No, these people are letting them win by lying about facts that destroys credibility when it is needed to state obvious truths. Guarantee you there will be people in my home state who simply won't listen now, and that increases the chance for the GOP to take control of the last remaining chamber of the legislature that will roll back all the successes of the last ten years until we are fucking Alabama again.

Yea. Same thing with taking away everyone’s guns. People are always going to kill other people and nothing should ever be done to prevent future mass shootings.

Fuck off you dumb dick.

Gladly.

Lies.

Like the last umpteen times you flounced off.

what was there in your post to reply to? It doesn't even make sense.