Youngkin pardons the father whose daughter was raped in a Loudoun school bathroom

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  1. Tererune

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    The school admin here is quite stupid. There is no reason to let a genderfluid person use the bathroom of the opposite gender. I get that many allies and a few trans people have confused things like genderfluid and crossdressing/drag as gender dysphoria and trans. These are stupid people, just as the other side is stupid. The school administration has to have some sort of real education in gender dysphoria so they can make proper decisions. This is why they get paid the big bucks and have expensive degrees. If the licensing of teachers and school admin does not involve the study of gender and transgender then these people should not be licensed. Also, only licensed educated professionals should be allowed on school boards and administration so we do not have ignorant people on both sides getting these jobs.

    We need an administration that can say genderfluid is not trans and therefor should use the facilities with their assigned birth gender. Gender fluid means comfortability with either gender. It also means you are not being outed as your birth gender if you use the bathroom of your birth gender. It also comes with absolutely no confirmation of their status as the other gender. A trans person lives and is confirmed by a diagnosis by a doctor. If a person is not confirmed by such diagnosis they should not be in private spaces of others simply because they say they are so. I am not asking for confirmation from a UA or dumiurge, but you need to be on the path of becoming the other gender in a real way.

    This means people who simply do drag, crossdress, or are not full on the path of changing genders do not belong in the other genders bathroom. This administration is at fault for allowing this. If they are allowing it because they fall victim to an ignorant group of allies who feel gender fluidity should be considered a reason to enter the opther gender conforming private spaces, then those idiots need to be told no by the administration. If the admin is so ignorant of this issue that they cannot properly make such decisions they all need to be fired from their high paying positions and sent to do something more appropriate like sammich making or garbage disposal.

    There is a problem with the shit education of our school officials. No good is being done to anyone by letting gender fluid kids chose what bathroom, they want to use on any given day. If you are actually gender fluid then there is no reason this person could not be fluid and go to the bathroom in the mens room.
  2. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    In this case you need an admin that is educated on the issue and is not being the tail of the dog wagged by public opinion. Yes, you have members of the public that say believe every claim and that means that men looking to peep or molest women in the bathroom could use trans as a way to get in there. There has to be a standard for the allowance of trans people into the proper gender specific areas without becoming so easy that you just let anyone who wears a skirt in the ladies room.

    The Administration should have been able to say no and support their decision in allowing a gender fluid person into the women's room because gender fluid people do not require access to the bathroom of the gender they were not assigned at birth like a trans person is. Had the person been required to be on the same path as a trans person, they would have been barred from the female restroom. That might not have stopped them from entering, but they would have had no business there at all.

    The trans supporting community needs to come out and specifically denounce the allowance of gender fluid individuals into the other restroom. There has to be a line and this will allow for increased comfort of women to know that a trans person is in their bathroom because they belong and not because they are some scumbag who is going to do the wrong thing. Believing everyone is only going to lower confidence in trans people being trans. This means that there needs to be a standard of who is trans especially in certain areas. Maybe someday that could be relaxed, but sexual predators will always see the relaxation as a way to worm their way into safe spaces, so we need to have some requirement of necessity.

    This is a non-trans issue that seems to have an overlap with trans issues. School admins are notorious for trying to silence the victims of abuse. The father, in this case, has every right to be angry, and even be angry at the admin for having a low standard for who is trans. My problem is there is a much larger issue that is not handled by just getting rid of genderfluid people in the women's room. I agree that gender fluid people should not be allowed int he girls room. The problem goes much further than trans issues, and is more about how despite being paid a ton of money and being appointed to the position, a large number of school admin are ignorant and undereducated on these things. We need some real defined standards to be enforced that are not subject to the whims and education levels of these morons. We also need to have some better licensing and certification standards on school board and administration so we keep out the Qanon crowd, and even well meaning idiots who might make the decision to allow gender fluid people into the other bathroom when that is a very bad idea all around. This is why we have emotional support animals who are dangerous and unsanitary everywhere. This is why we have guns and other unsafe things in schools. We need to have some standards.
    If they are letting gender fluid people into the opposite gender's restroom or locker room, then the policy is wrong. I agree that there may be some reason to lower the sanctity of human genitals. I think there is an unhealthy amount of privacy associated with them. However, that has to change over time and is not something you can just start eliminating. There is absolutely no purpose in allowing a gender fluid person to access any bathroom they want. A trans person is identifying as one gender and participating as one gender. It is psychologically and socially important to use the gender specific facilities of their identified gender. The same is specifically not true for a gender fluid individual. Irt is one thing that makes them not transgendered. They are comfortable in either gender space, and therefor can be comfortable in the space of the gender they were born as. A trans person is not.

    So it is by definition not the right policy in our society that has gender specific places to allow a gender fluid person to access either. The school admin should have been educated enough to know better, and been able to properly defend that position. They were wishy washy and therefor needed to cover up their own mistakes. This really is more indicative of our present lack of profesionalism and education in school administrative staff. How can staff responsible for teachers, psychologists, and any number of different type of students make a proper decision when they are not able to handle issues of sexual assault, gender identity, and addressing the parents?
    Some allies need to STFU because they are not educated and their defense of a sexual predator because they are gender fluid does no favors for the image of trans people. If a trans or gender fluid person is molesting or raping people they need to charged, convicted, and jailed just like anyone else. There should be no excuse of "I am trans" that should allow for lesser penalties or monitoring of sexual predators. Yes, in rehabilitation something like that might be an issue that could help to make it so a person does not recommit the same crime, and rehab them back into society after their punishment, but that does not excuse the crime.

    For instance I was discriminated against for being trans and in my anger and fear over losing my career and being forced out of my job, and I tried to steal money and people's identities. That is not an excuse that should have got me off from my crime, and I was convicted and served time for that crime. However, in being rehabilitated to participating in law abiding society it was important for me to find a place where I could be me and support myself with a job and proper place in society.

    The person who did this needs to be punished. The people who covered it up need tro be removed and possibly punished if they obstructed justice and it can be proven in a court. The school needs a proper policy regarding trans children that does not allow some student to just declare themselves gender fluid and gain access to the other student's gender specific areas. Without these things we cannot have any confidence in the school, or rules in general when you can just declare yourself genderfluid and go anywhere, or if they are afraid to punish you because you are a popular sports hero or a trans person.
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    Didn't say MADE - I said (by implication) that they created the antecedent drama which plowed the ground for the "fear of backlash" element of their decision making. I assume from the description that wasn't the only factor in their choices.
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  4. Tererune

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    That is one of the far right tactics dumiurge uses. Turn every small divergence you do not like into a mountain that blocks the view of all the other issues. If only they hadn't let gender fluid boy use the girls bathroom this rape would have bnever happened and the school would not have covered things up. Because things were just so awesome and non rapey in school in the good old days when trans people were not around. It is all the trans inclusion fault.

    If we just banned the gender fluid and trans people from existing we could go back to when all these assaults were just ignored and therefor did not exist.
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