So What if an MRI Takes Longer in Canada?

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Disclaimer: I am currently exploring whether or not I support the candidate on whose website this article was found; I haven't made up my mind. The article, however, is quite compelling though it appears to be by a family member of the candidate.

And thus, I simply cannot support Obamacare - it will lower the quality of care.


It's like the government is saying that they're going to turn organic vegetables into corn and make everyone eat it - if you're familiar with how the Gub'mint working in agriculture screws things up.

I don't believe it takes months to get an MRI in Canada. Nope. Not buying it.

Members here have verified this.

And why wouldn't you believe it? Does it go against your worldview that the government is here to save us?

Who confirmed this?? With shit like that...they would be dead now if it was a personal incident.

Really? Everyone would be dead without MRI's? It seems to me that things like that impact a lot of people, but not nearly enough to "they" to be "dead," if by "they" you mean "all of Canada."

It doesn't. My dad had a tumor bumping up on his optic nerve and was in an MRI machine a day after he saw his doctor.

For the other things it can take a while though - my wife had to wait around 3 months to get her shoulder looked at.

Americans are grossly uninformed about Canada's medical system, usually the ones with an axe to grind over what's going on in their own country.

apostle I eagerly await your thread on the thousands of Canadians who were successfully helped out yesterday by our medical system.

You're stupid. Its just a little hyperbole but I mean these people you say confirmed it. A person would be fucked over if they can't get a full diagnosis in a timely manner.

In a way I understand that. The shoulder problem possibly not as drastic as a tumor in your head.

This entire thread is horseshit. Take it from a Canadian. Yes, there can be waits for MRIs here. But for medical emergencies or serious health threats the wait is almost non-existent.

Also, there is no verifiable source (other than the fucknut who wrote the article) that says Dr. Myers would have been saved had he had an "immediate" MRI. I put about as much stock in the veracity of that article as I do a Facebook posting.

If there is an extra wait for anything that would not have to be endured in a "pay to play" system, it is a failure. I don't care if it's a fucking hangnail. If it's not an equivalent level of care on an equivalent time table, seamless and transparent in every way, then you've got no sale here. Even if I did accept the vague, bullshit claim about "costs going down" (when it is pretty much a foregone conclusion that costs will go up for those of us who can pay their fucking bills), better service costs more money in every other industry, and there's no reason why this one should be different.

And no, the emotional appeal you're about to type out is not a "reason."

Sorry but while you wait in an ER with your hangnail, the gunshots wounds and broken bones are gonna require you just freakin' wait. maybe all day, while they take care of more pressing emergencies. So save the indignation pallie.

I'm not talking about triage, so cut the bullshit. I'm talking about the extra levels of bureaucracy, supply of providers and facilities shrinking for various reasons, and demand for those facilities going through the roof due to it being "free," all combining to result in me waiting for shit that I would not have to wait for right now.

Do not fucking ask me to endure any kind of sacrifice for the guilt-ridden sales pitch of "guaranteed access to health care for all."

Either way you will still and go all about it!

I love it: Here is an example of the inferiority of the Canadian Healthcare System.

Then all the blinded come in to illuminate things. :|

It's true.

Sometimes you just have to wait.

Last year, when they were going to take out the badly installed and infected PD catheter, I got rolled all the way down to surgery..three times...just to have it cancelled three times due to car accidents caused by a blizzard.

I had to spend another night and they did it the next afternoon....but you want emergencies to go first. It's inconvenient and paying for another day costly for insurance, but reasonable delays happen.

It's the likelihood of constant delays and not enough service to go around that people are worried about now. And it's a real concern as more people will be using the service and sometimes unnecessarily.

What thread are you reading???

This one, buddy.

Now we'll get some dismissive bullshit about how everyone will still be free to buy premium-level health care, ignoring the fact that imposing an additional burden on everyone leaves you less able to engage in discretionary spending like that.

Sez the guy who's covered by his employer, but feels entitled to anyway.

Actually all I really see is you deciding whether or not to follow a politician that links to outright lies on his website. Like there's a choice, but then again it's not like you have character or anything to fall back on to make decisions like that. Or a spine, for that matter.

So where's that thread on the thousands of people helped by our system yesterday?

For all we know, that mug got his MRI referral and then fucked around and didn't make his appointment in a timely manner. In many cases, the patient goes to the MRI place of their choice.

The amount of hyperbole from those who oppose the ACA is amazing.

First of all, ACA is not equivilent to Canadian healthcare. It is not "healthcare reform" regardless of how the media and democrats allowed republicans to frame it. It is Health Insurance reform.

I would have been more impressed if the dead guy in the article was in Massechusetts and couldn't get an MRI, but that would be fruitless for those with an agenda, because the Health Insurance reform Romney did in MA is hugely popular and medical care outcomes are above national averages... As well as Canada's for that matter.

I see Ten Lubak and Garamet have posted. Do they think I can see their posts?

Why should I have to wait a week? I guess I've gotten used to the conveniences of a moderate-sized city, but get shit like that immediately. At most, I have to navigate to another facility that day.

Well, for one we could stop subsidizing the rest of the world's cheap prescription drugs by paying higher prices ourselves. But then you'd be robbed of one big way to pretend your health care is superior.

The latter has been my experience more than once here in evil, capitalist America.

There is no one major reason. There are numerous causes, none of which can be reduced to some bitchy slogan about the enlightenment of socialized medicine.