Use a Cell Phone at School, Get the Shit Beat Out of You.

That is also against the rules in school.

Which is never the way to do things. The class has been disrupted already. This would have been a prime moment to explain to the kids that there is a reason authority exists, and that we need to respect authority because it is in place, as a systemic structure, to make a peaceful and smoothly running society. Handcuff her, take her away, making sure the kids see the result of her actions.

What this taught the kids was that disobedience leads to violence, and you will be taken down with brute force if you do not obey even the most minor of rules. Some of the kids apparently thought she deserved it, but how are they to know the difference? They've grown up in a post 9/11 society where militarization and expedient violence has become the rule rather than the exception. We instill fear because, at least in this incident, instilling respect takes too long and requires too much apparently.

Doesn't the possibility of violence ultimately underlie all authority?

And why do you keep saying it was a "minor rule". In my state it is NOT a minor rule but one mandated by the governing body of all the schools statewide.

And no, you don't deviate from the lesson plan to go into some diatribe on the importance of authority (unless that is what the lesson was about anyway). With the principal there you sure as hell better stick to what is in the plan and go Red Five all the way.

"Stay on target. Stay on target"

I'm sure you say that about every man you meet at the truckstop.

In other words, a typical Tuesday night for John.

Do you have a safety word for this kind of thing?

Do you have to ask your master permission to cum?

In your role plays, are you the cop, or the catholic schoolgirl in pigtails and knee-highs?

Well the cop sure as fuck deviated from the lesson plan, now didn't he? A teachable moment was turned into a bullshit display of power. As for respect, no. If you threaten me with violence, you'll get my contempt, not my respect.

A lesson you should have learned last year. Let's all bask once again in the glow of the greatest post in the history of Wordforge:

John should have called the cops and had Caboose beaten to death!

And yet she wasn't injured. The officer did his job efficiently and in a controlled manner. So what's the big deal if it was aggressive?

His mistake was in questioning my authoritah. By being the person wielding the weapon, he should have cowed at my words, because that's respect, right? Right?

This is important, because Arkansas might not be alone with this policy. I don't agree with it. I think teachers should have the discretion of which infractions to pursue with disciplinary action and which to let slide. But it points to a systemic reason of why this situation escalated, not just "the staff were assholes."

Hard to celebrate your victory when you're not going to be there the rest of the semester. And moving the other students out allows the class to continue and deprives the girl of an audience to play to.

I'm sorry for her loss - but that means she gets a pass from now on? Is being stubborn and uncooperative a step in the "grieving process?"
Now about respect & control & leadership: if that teacher would have backed down once she started down the road to getting that girl to put down/give up her phone, nearly every kid in the class would be "testing" that teacher 24/7. When you are an authority figure or otherwise in change, all eyes are on you whether you notice it or not. I've had dozens of subordinate squad/team members in my care over my many years in the military. I've had hundreds of military students come through my class when I was a military instructor. You have to have control over your "class" period. This applies to anyone teaching or mentoring or whatever to an individual or group. It applies to parenting, formal teaching, working, you name it.

Who says she wouldn't be there the rest of the semester? We don't know that.

And in the time you take to move the class the class is over. So either way the class is disrupted. (plus given they were using computers to do the work the other classroom might not be setup for the teacher to use)

And I think you put too much emphasis on having an audience. Lots of people act stupid no matter how little or how many people are around them.

14th Doc is a naive man-child. He can't understand what you wrote.

I don't know what the school's rules are, but if I had my way, expulsion would be a given after that level of disruption. And if I were the teacher, I would not want that student back in my class.

If the classroom isn't functioning anyway, it's better just to get the other students out of there. I think it's better for students to sit on the bleachers in the gym doing nothing for an hour than it is for them to witness contention between a student and an administrator or a police officer.

When people go too far, it can be difficult for them to back down in front of their peers as doing so means losing face.

That suggests that harsh collective punishment for the entire class might work quite well.

"Since miss prissy pants can't get off her phone or obey instructions, you're all going to run laps until you fucking die!"

What is to say the bitch would not have just got up and moved with the rest of the class after the teach tried to move the class?

Nothing. But then the cop wouldn't have had to force her out of her seat to arrest her.

The cop was trying to get her out of her seat to handcuff/detain her. She was resisting - how would you have gotten her out of the seat? Carry her and the chair/desk together? That's a high center of gravity - what if she tipped over? Wait - he could have handcuffed her to the chair, right? And then the video would show the cop treating her like a "wild animal" and that might be worse from a racial angle or safety angle. Or what if the cop did jack shit and let her throw a tantrum and she hit her head on the desk or floor? Then you would say it's the cop's fault for not taking action. Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on it seems.

One possible solution would have been to take her phone, and step back, letting her get up to follow me, at which point I would have taken her down and handcuffed her, safely away from any other students should she lash out, instead of, you know, slamming a desk backwards putting another student in danger of harm. That would be one possible solution.

What if she pulls the phone away or clamps down on it? You want a cop prying her fingers off one by one?

As opposed to slamming her desk backward, endangering other students in the process? Yes, that is a possibility as well. Seriously, how is prying the phone out of her hands *worse* than getting her in a chokehold and slamming her desk backward and flinging her across the room? Seriously? Is this what you're asking? It's like saying "yeah, he stabbed her, but what did you want him to do? Grab her arm instead?!" When the course of action has the chance to de-escalate violence and still apprehend the criminal, you go for de-escalation.

There still would have been video of a raging teenage future inmate being "abused" by the big bad cop just doing his job.

If a student thinks phones are more important than paying attention, it’s no problem as long as they don't disrupt others. They'll flunk out eventually.

It's rude to be reading, texting, etc. when one should be giving the teacher one's attention. It also makes it difficult for the teacher to engage the student and to get the student's participation.

Like I said above, cellphones should not be out of pockets or bags during class unless the teacher has given permission.

I still have no idea how a grown man can justify using that kind of force on a teenage girl who’s just sitting down doing nothing.

What a fuckin hero.

She had supposedly being kicking and punching prior to the video according to the cop.

Jesus...mother.....fucking...christ, dude.....she wasn't "doing nothing". She wouldn't listen to the teacher, wouldn't listen to the cop.....what the fuck would you have done? You are a teacher, who has to teach a whole class of kids, some who may want to learn! Imagine that! So you have to let the kids do what they want because everything is "no big deal?" If you do that enough, you have an entire generation of kids who learn that they are the center of the universe and adults aren't shit. It's been said on WF from every...fucking......demographic so far. The kids cannot think that they "run the show" or are in charge. You want to buck the system? Pay the fucking price! No wonder it's a bitch getting people into the teaching profession. Why the fuck should someone put up with this kind of hassle when you don't get the support you need. That said, I can't believe anyone would want to be a cop these days without the support you need. Son-of-a-bitch I'm glad my kids never grew up to be the burden on society that this girl seems to be. My kids aren't perfect, but they have the common sense to realize that when the authority figure says "stop" you fucking stop. You're busted, man up and deal with it.

This is the most autistic thing I've ever read.

In my grade school, we had this one teacher who was the disciplinarian that all the other teachers would send their bad seed kids to. As it happened, he ended up being my sixth grade teacher ad we had quite a few of the problem children in this class.

The short version is that he spent a lot of fucking time being a parent with less time to actually teach. It wasn't for a lack of trying or lack of fucks to give like the teacher I had the year before. To give a brief overview we had in the class:

-a kid that cut class a third of the year
-a few disrespectful kids
-one girl that had all the signs of Asperger's for whom his Git Tuff approach likely did fuck all to help
-one girl that was two YEARS behind because of disruptions in her home

Those are only the ones I remember. I've talked to this gentleman in the years since and he's regaled stories of the flack he's caught from parents (including from my own mom when my brother went through his class) for telling them their kid's on the track to failure. And kids absolutely manipulate the system....my brother did it all the time because he knew my mom would never do shit about it.