Use a Cell Phone at School, Get the Shit Beat Out of You.

We had a teacher get killed by a sucker punch from a junior high student when he was trying to break up a fight in the cafeteria. The teacher was running for the state legislature at the time, too.

They can make all the policies they want, taking someone's personal property is theft and should be treated as such. If they tried that shit with me, I'd tell them to fuck themselves. The cop was not right sling her around like a rag doll and the can fuck off with their tough guy everyone's a terrorist mentality.

One of the problems is kids whose parents support disruptive behavior and fighting "the man". Her mom is probably proud.

In my state, the limits of what teachers can do in a physical altercation with a student are extensive. For example a teacher CANNOT hit a student in the head. NEVER. Not even in self defense. To do so will cause the teacher to be put on the child maltreatment registry which means they can never work in the education field in Arkansas again. Ever.

And breaking up a fight between female students is fraught with all kinds of peril for a male teacher. On the one hand a teacher that fails to break up a fight in a timely manner can face disciplinary action for not doing so, but if a teacher touches the breast of a female student in the process then all hell breaks lose.

Also if a teacher is struggling to separate students in a fight and yells something inappropriate at them then there is hell to pay.

Then you would likely be arrested. I'm not even going to bother to explain why, because you aren't smart enough to understand it. Just know this, though, that your extreme aversion to the idea that anybody anywhere can have a say in how you conduct your affairs is going to bite you hard in the ass some day.

True -- look no further than Federal Farmer for an example of this phenomenon.

Then you would get suspended for using the f word against an authority figure.

Students don't have the same rights as adults nor should they have.

I always hated it when a student says "But I have rights". I say "Really? When was the last time you voted?"

This thread has a more misleading title than the "Shot for getting skittles" thread.

First, this kid was not just sitting there using her cell phone when she was grabbed by the cop. She created the situation, and kept escalating it by being a belligerent little brat. She could've started listening to the teacher, school administrators or police officer at any point. She chose to stay belligerent. No sympathy.

Second, a cop's job is to enforce the law. They're trained to use force when someone is resisting arrest, which the student was actively doing when the video was being taken. Not saying he should've chucked her across the room, but he was justified in physically taking her out of that chair. Don't like it? Then don't put cops in your schools.

Third, all you obnoxious, perpetually outraged SJW's trying to spin this as racially motivated can eat a dick.

Ok gul, walk up to anyone on the street and take their phone and see what happens.

My 12 year old used to try that gambit from time to time when he was a few years younger. We've spent a lot of time talking through the concept of house rules and circumstances in which authority is a valid concept. He is much further along in understanding this than FF, that's for sure.

It is my understanding that there is no law against having a cell phone on the street.

At least in my state, cell phones in schools by the students are expressly forbidden.

Do you not understand how significantly different that is from what we are actually discussing?

1. There should be immediate and profound repercussions for having a cellphone out of one's pocket/bag during class without the permission of the teacher.

2. The cop may have mishandled removing the girl, but using coercion to remove the girl from the class was legitimate.

3. Willful disobedience of legitimate police authority in situations like these should mean no driver's licence until age 18 (including forfeiture of an existing license).

4. If force was not an option here, the rest of the class should've been moved to a study hall, cafeteria, other classroom, etc. The girl should've been informed she would not be allowed to leave the class until a parent came to collect her. As soon as the parent was on the scene, the girl should've been cited for disrupting a public service. The girl should've then been expelled and to have only summer school for making up any missing class work. If the girl is re-admitted at a later time, she should (1) not be allowed to have a cell phone on school grounds and (2) be required to refrain from future disruptions, both on penalty of immediate expulsion.

So you think someone should be arrested for not giving up their phone?

Are you being deliberately daft?

A child in school =/= an adult being robbed. And even the military will confiscate cellphones that used in places on base where they aren't allowed.

99 percent of the time, a child's is not thrir, but that of the parent. Until you move out and foot your own bills, you have the right to jack shit beyond food, clothing and shelter as a kid.

I think the other students and the teacher should have left the room and welded the door shut. After about a week with no water the problem should just take care of itself.

So that would be no, you do not understand what we are actually discussing. I think somebody can and sometimes should be arrested for not following the legally established rules of their location.

Some on FoxNews this morning were suggesting that the teacher should've have

"taken rest of the students out of the classroom, deprived the student of an audience, deescalated the situation".

Uh no.

It isn't the teachers job to "deprive the student of an audience" and it sure as hell isn't the teachers job to basically cede control of their classroom to some kid and basically throw away a whole period of instruction.

State people nowadays are all over teachers about "bell to bell instruction" and never wasting any time. If a student causes a distraction you throw them the hell out of the classroom and keep going.

Wouldn't a week's suspension be more appropriate? I think that would be better than tossed on the ground and beaten by an asshole cop.

I don't know what video you saw but she was never beaten in the video I saw.

The girl was thrown out of her chair either the chair landing on her, then thrown to the ground again, then dragged across the floor and thrown to the ground again. I'd call a bit of a beating.

No, that's being shown the door. If she tried that shit in a bar, any bouncer would've done the same.

Any of which she could've avoided if she had obeyed the 1) teacher 2) administrator 3) resource officer who told her to get up and leave the room.

Just where the hell is your head FF? Why do you think should be done with her or any student that disobeys?

If you have gone so far as to ignore the teacher, the school principle, and the police then you need to be expelled and get sent to the reform school where all the fuck ups and criminals go. There is no reason to let that person ruin the educational opportunities of everyone else in the classroom.

I think a weeks suspension is a great idea.

Meanwhile how do you get her ass out of class?

See now, if you accept that the school has the authority to confiscate the phone, then we can have this more meaningful conversation. Yes, she should be punished. We don't really know what happened, but I doubt the original plan was to bring in a cop to make an aggressive arrest. That said, if the situation cannot be quickly de-escalated, the student needs to be removed from the classroom. There are safety and instructional concerns for the other students that need protection. Get her out of the class and quickly, then determine punishment.

He thinks to disobey is to be righteous. That's only true when authority has over stepped it's bounds and there is risk of harm to self or other innocents, something not in evidence here.

You don't see an issue with due process here, but you do see one in a college rape case?

All kidding aside, I find this suggestion appealing. But I'd perhaps modify it to be a three strikes situation, so as to prevent any one-off instances of disobedience that's out of character.

And of course, what about instances where a kid is so willfully disobedient a week before their 18th birthday? Not much of a deterrence there.

And of course in areas where one doesn't need to drive (any region with decent public transportation), this sort of punishment wouldn't really work.

Fed Farm, I see you doing a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking here, but nowhere have I seen you tell us what you would have done in the teacher's position. You have a student who has her cell phone out, texting/playing games while she should be paying attention to classroom activity, and probably breaking class/school rules by having the cell phone in the classroom to begin with. The student is potentially distracting other students around her, who would rather pay attention to whatever she's doing on her phone rather than class activity. You ask her to give you the phone, she refuses. You ask her to step outside into the hallway so you can talk to her privately. She refuses. You ask her to leave class and walk to the office. She refuses.

You can take it from here.......

A cop can cite you for any offense on the books. You can either accept the citation or demand a trial. If you demand the trial, a cop, a teacher, a school administrator, and probably some fellow students will be witnesses against you, and (especially after this case) the whole affair will be on video. You get your due process, for all the good it will do you.

Eh, maybe. But it should only be one strike if it's pretty egregious. I don't think a teen should lose their license for talking in class, but if they defy a teacher, an administrator, and a police officer? That's a willful escalation that is indicative of profound immaturity.

Then make the penalty be "until age 18 or for six months whichever is greater."

No, but expulsion/summer school/no diploma should still do the trick.

Hey should have tasered her. Seriously.