Use a Cell Phone at School, Get the Shit Beat Out of You.

I can't tell from the video whether excessive force came in to play, but I agree with the people who are saying it's legitimate to physically remove and or restrain a student who refuses to comply with behavioral rules.

Probably they need to get this guy in to the classroom.

Uses of force almost always look bad (especially to non-law enforcement) because often we don't see what happened before to lead up to it. And people don't understand how use of force works. Once the officer determined he had to use force he used it. Thank God he didn't do something stupid like punch her in the face. He pulled her to the ground and handcuffed her.

Key and Peele? Yeah they would have been fired before the day was out. It's funny because it's what we wish teachers were like.

Looked like he flipped the chair over to me.

Just leave her there for all I care. She wouldn't be disrupting the hallway.

Yeah... it doesn't work like that.

Yes, I freely admit to not having the required expertise to evaluate most videos of this sort. I have a few people I trust who do have that knowledge (friends who are cops), so I defer to them. And yeah, LEOs at Wordforge such as you and Elwood also have credibility on this in my opinion, whereas some others just don't.

Well, yeah, but it's still hilarious.

It's not illegal to have a cell phone and the school administrators have no right to confiscate private property. The cop shouldn't be involved m, period. They should have called the parents.

Oh, poor, deluded, Federal Failure. Once again, you simply do not know what you're talking about. Schools do indeed have the right to establish and enforce policies regarding how students behave, how they dress, and what they do with portable personal property.

Okay then. Once the kid is out of the classroom, let the school administrators handle it. I don't necessarily blame the cop in this so much as the policy of having a LEO enforce discipline in schools.

I have a great-nephew (grand-nephew?) who has serious behavior and rage issues. 12 or 13 years old. He has been removed from class in handcuffs at least once.

This thread is so America.

LEO's in schools is just madness. How has it come to be that this has become a necessary thing for you guys.....to the point where you don't even blink an eye when a cop kicks the shit out of a teenager at school?

This would never happen where I live unless we're talking about an unlikely extreme circumstance. Somehow our students manage to get by.

Of course the Sheriff tried to distance himself - race is a hot issue right now! I'm not going to speculate, but I would be willing to bet there are a lot of teachers who are praying that if a student acts up they aren't black, because now they have to walk on eggshells (even more than usual). Again, back to my idea I've mentioned before. No white cops! If you have to use white cops, have a black cop on standby to handle cases involving blacks. This will take the wind out of any "racial grievance" folks. This case most likely has nothing to do with race, but some people will make it all about race nonetheless.

Do your kids have (on average) much more respect for authority, exercise more self control, have involved parents, etc? Or are you saying that the level of youthful hijinx in your country is equal to ours? I'm thinking your crime rate says otherwise. Apples and oranges really.

I can only speak to my personal experiences and not for every kid in Canada and America but yeah I generally feel Canadians are better people than Americans.

It looks like the deputy has been fired.

When I was in school if students brought toys or things which distracted them during class the teacher would take it away and the student's parents would have to come get it back. Most parents didn't like having to take time off of work to do that so the kids knew an ass whooping was waiting for them at home if it happened.

Then you just kind of answered your own question. Because we have kids that are spoiled immature self-centered violent brats, gangs in schools, drugs in schools, etc. it is often warranted to have extra security for the physical safety of the teachers and students. In Augusta we have had fights so out of control they had to send in a fucking SWAT team to stifle the carnage. Even on the "good" side of town at my kid's HS they had a fight so bad after school (a convenience store down the block) the cops brought a mobile crime lab/booking station on wheels (a converted bus) to the store because the county lockup couldn't have handled the sheer numbers at one time.

So the kids (I was one of them) had two things going for them:
1) strict, involved parents
2) teachers who could do their job without fear of a student attacking them - and then bring in their parents to attack them as well

Sounds like your country is pretty fucked up.

Interesting though that despite all this police presence, it still sounds like a complete shit show.

A mobile booking station. 'Merica.

Well, Canada has a population of about 36 million. The United States has a population of about 320 million. We have roughly TEN TIMES as many people as Canada, and in general, the stuff like we see in this news article just doesn't happen. That's why this is news. It's unusual.

Oh, and about 50 High Schools in Toronto has Police Officers as well.

We just had a fight in a cafeteria in a local school near me.

The kid attacked the adults, one of whom was a cop, after they broke up the fight. He left in handcuffs.

Kids today, a lot of them not all of course, are out of control.

Remember that old saying? "Treat a kid like an angel who can do no wrong and he'll be a demon as an adult" (paraphased)

Well the demon is showing up earlier and earlier......

It doesn't happen where I live either, but, you know, the South.

More serious answer, it really doesn't happen anywhere, just as Sean the Puritan pointed out. We do have police in the schools here, but they mostly are involved in social work type policing. If this sort of thing was as routine as you filthy foreigners like to pretend, you'd hear a lot more about it.

uhmmmm this particular incident happened in Oregon.....

South Carolina, actually.

Private property my ass.

In my high school days, cell phones were only just becoming affordable enough for the middle class area I grew up in, and the teachers didn't give a shit. If you pulled it out, they took it and your parents had to get it themselves. As it should be.

And welcome back @Zombie

Having LEOs in schools is mainly a liability shield. If a school has a trained professional to handle any physical altercations with students the school (at least in my state) is far, far less subject to criminal liability if something happens during an altercation. For example if a student falls down and is injured. Or if one student injures another. And most especially if the student tries to injure a teacher.

Which area? What was the socio-economic demographics of the students involved? Poor kids from single family backgrounds? Was culture involved in some way? Some ethnic groups seem to have more of a cultural problem with authority figures.

You would see it among the Hmong, some AA kids (the ones into gangster rap who are worried about face), and some hispanic kids especially central Americans (who culturally are very concerned about appearing macho). Those groups tended to have cultural problems with authority figures in my experience.

I still don't think you're getting it - if it wasn't such a "shit show" we wouldn't have as many cops because we wouldn't need as many. It's not like the criminal population grows to match an expanding police force. It's pretty much the other way around. That said, we do have a habit of arresting people to feed the criminal justice industry, but let's throw that out of the equation. Let's assume the only crime the cops would care about is violent crime - they would still have their hands full - our jails would still be full 24/7. Remember this is the US - everything is bigger, faster, brighter, louder, more intense and "in your face" at pretty much every level.

Zombie is talking about the cafeteria fight, the cop getting physical with the girl was Columbia, South Carolina.

This story is everything that is wrong with the education system and America in general, all wrapped up in a neat little package. And now that the race hustlers and NAACP politicos are involved, you can be sure reason & common sense have now flown out the window.

Where to begin?

First, possession & use of cell phones inside the school building should be banned. Any school system that doesn't have this policy has already set their teachers up for failure.

Second, teachers are not jail wardens. Their job is not to "command the respect" of the inmates. Their job is to present and teach the subject matter. If there's a punk in the class whose "respect" needs to be commanded, that's the job of the school's vice principal & head principal.

The teacher, in order to save his job, couldn't have done anything other than call the office and report a behavioral disturbance. If the teacher had even looked cross-eyed in the girl's direction he would have been immediately fired. That's school system policy everywhere around the nation - any altercation between teacher & student where the school system thinks there's a potential for lawsuit, teacher gets ridden out on a rail.

So teacher called the building administration and someone came down and begged & pleaded with this girl to leave the class and come outside and talk. She outright refused. Meanwhile, the class was totally disrupted.

So the cop was called. Why? Because police have discretion to use techniques that civilians can't. The whole thing could have been avoided at any time by the girl handing over her phone, or the girl standing up and walking out of the class. But of course, in 2015 America personal responsibility is a taboo concept. So instead it's the fault of the racist cop who brutalized the sweet, innocent little girl.

Exactly what should the cop have done instead? Dragged the desk out of the class with the bitch still in it? That could still easily be construed as assault. Pepper spray her? Tazer her? No, he would have still been fired. I guess he was just supposed to stand there and repeatedly beg this dumb cunt to stand up and walk outside until the bell rang the class was over. Because spineless morons like 14th Douchebag suffer the vapors whenever an authority figure tries to impose order.

The real losers in all this? The other teachers at the school, who now know that kids playing on their cell phones can't be confronted because they might cause this kind of scene. If you're a white cop called to a school to deal with a behavioral disturbance from a black student, I'd be calling my union rep & lawyer to accompany me to the scene to witness everything. Better yet, I'd insist that the dumbass police chief who wants to play politics to try and appease all the screeching race hustlers drive his fat ass to the school to deal with the situation personally. Then when the race hustlers start screaming, he can fire himself.