Gun Deaths Now the Third Leading Cause of Death in American Children

I said "murder".

You're talking about accidental killing.

And I would note that 5 year olds have accidentally killed other children without a firearm before.

@Dayton3, is "Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father", what you want said about you here when you die?

Cuz...I think I'm still gonna just go with "ugh, what a knucklehead! ".

If the father had properly secured his weapon that wouldn't have happened.

And yet, despite his negligence, he was able to purchase the weapon in the first place without any proof that he was above such negligence.

And citing them, he can tell us categorically that all history books are false. The New Deal specifically came about by accident, not as a response to an economic catastrophe.

So Quest and Ann, @Anna of all people, are pulling a Helen Lovejoy in an effort to argue in favor of restricting the rights of others. Sad.

Show your love of guns by fellating a shotgun to full release.

Now, remind me again, is collective blame a good thing or a bad thing?

Your arguments in this thread indicate otherwise. And don't try pulling the garamet defense with me. On top of that, you are literally using children as a shield for your argument.

Gun control has nothing to do with restricting anyone's rights. It has to do with ensuring incompetent people do not have access. I don't give a damn about the second amendment. If someone is not in full control of their faculties, they should not be allowed access to firearms.

I agree. But even completely competent, careful people can have their guns taken by people intent on doing harm.

I live close to Jonesboro, AR. The Jonesboro Middle School shooting (four young girls and a teacher murdered) involved the young boys involved breaking in and stealing guns from the uncle of one of them. The guns were under lock and key.

Then that is not the fault of the gun owner is it?

No one is saying all gun crimes will immediately stop if better scrutiny is involved in the purchasing process. It's just likely to happen if people are too stupid to lock up their guns.

and carrying a loaded Beretta in your purse so your child can pull it out in Wal-mart is not responsible. If you know you've got a loaded gun in your purse, and you have a conceal carry license, don't leave your purse unattended or where your toddler can get to it.

Yep, kids are just shields for liberals.
All you have to do now, is take that last step that grieving parents are "crisis actors", then all of your empathy can be switched off, and you can be the ideal Randian psychopath.
You'll get there.
Dinner did.

Personally, I'm against concealed carry anyway. Anyone who wants to carry a handgun should have it in an exposed holster (with safety strap over it).

So to recap, conservatives don't care that children are killed by guns so long as abortion is legal.

Which is why literally the next sentence is...

Way to undermine your own "argument."

God, you sure can be a moron. The thing that makes this example of being a Helen Lovejoy so god-damn hilarious is that said character was a criticism of exactly what that character is doing on the part of the Jerry Falwell "moral majority" types. It was a legit criticism then, and it still is now, even though morons like yourselves have taken up the role of the Jerry Falwell types. And yeah, I can already hear the denial that you're totally not doing that, or that it's okay when you do it because reasons, but the fact remains that you are indeed doing it, and for exactly the same reasons - it involves a group you have antipathy for exercising rights you don't believe they ought to have.

Psychopaths?
Okay, you want psychopaths to have guns, so I guess we're at an impasse on that one.

Being owner of the board really pushed you over the edge, didn't it? I don't recall you being so stupid prior to the teal reign.

For many, if not most, there was some attempt at another method that failed.

No.

It's 17 and six months before you can ship out. Even then, you'll likely be on admin hold at your tech school till age 18 before you're sent to a command if your school is particularly short like mine was.

When there's an obvious shortcoming, yes.

We can all take collective responsibility. Blacks are cleaning up neighborhoods, Muslims are snitching on the shitty elements amongst their midst, and LGBT folks are speaking up against the self-marginalizing of minorities within their ranks.

If there's been a noticeable effort to promote better education along with better enforcement of current laws among gun owners, I haven't seen it. I'd love to be proven wrong here, I really would.

yeah, 16 doesn't cut it. Granted generations ago you could "lie about your age" because the military didn't need to see a high school diploma, criminal background check, birth certificate, etc.etc. Under no circumstances will the US military have any minor die in a combat zone. Not going to happen, full stop.

Yeah, that's complete bullshit. Try again.

I'd honestly be okay with raising the minimum age to 21. There'd be no more worrying over underage drinking and they'd have time to see the civilian world and mature before coming into the military.

While I do agree, unfortunately, that would mean many aged out foster care kids, with no where else to turn, are on the streets for three years. For many, the military is their only other option.