Challenges to Obama's Presidential Eligibility are Growing...

Sokar · May 22, 2009

It's fun to watch the failed paralegal get worked up over anything.

actormike · May 22, 2009

Is a "citizens grand jury" what happens after a citizens arrest?

Uncle Albert · May 22, 2009

vandygoddess · May 22, 2009

Yawn.

Liet · May 22, 2009

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Is a "citizens grand jury" what happens after a citizens arrest?
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It's what happens just before members of some backwater militia group put a politician's face on wanted posters and go a huntin'.

Marso · May 22, 2009

Liet said: ↑

actormike said: ↑

Is a "citizens grand jury" what happens after a citizens arrest?
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It's what happens just before members of some backwater militia group put a politician's face on wanted posters and go a huntin'.
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Well that would be entertaining to watch, at least.

Marso · Jun 9, 2009

It. Will. Not. Die!

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BORN IN THE USA?
Obama's 'birth certificate' not acceptable in Hawaii?
Even state requires long-form document for some eligibility, identification issues
Posted: June 07, 2009
4:10 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website

WASHINGTON – The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues, WND has learned.

The investigation follows a Honolulu Star Bulletin column Saturday, which quotes a state Department of Health spokeswoman as saying the state's current certification of live birth is recognized "as an official birth certificate meeting
all federal and other requirements."

The website of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, however, states clearly the certification of live birth touted by the Obama campaign, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and a host of other Obama defenders is not acceptable as a form of identification to qualify under this program.

As WND has reported, certifications of live birth were widely issued to Hawaiians born in foreign countries in 1961, the year Obama was born.

Are you motivated yet to join the billboard campaign and clear up the air of mystery surrounding Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve?

The Star Bulletin column goes on to report: "The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign website a fake."

However, Obama's "citizenship" was never the question raised during the campaign or after the election. The issue raised by WND has consistently been that Obama failed to prove he was actually born in Hawaii and thus constitutionally qualified to become president as a "natural born citizen" – which requires that the birth took place in the United States.

The qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program require a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the "long-form certificate" filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

According to Hawaii's Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, the state only issues "certifications" of live births since 2001 when the health department went paperless. It is only available in electronic form, she said.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she is quoted as telling the Star Bulletin. "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

She did not explain how those needing a standard long-form birth certificate to qualify for programs such as those offered by the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands or to establish proof of eligibility to be president could be fulfilled. She said the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements." She did not, however, cite any specific rulings, and the Supreme Court has not taken up the issue of whether the certification of live birth would qualify a presidential candidate as eligible under the "natural born citizen" clause.

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Many of members of the public commenting on the Star Bulletin column raised similar questions:

* "I'm fifty years old and I need to apply for a passport," wrote one. "So I scan some representation of COLB onto my Facebook page. If I take my laptop to the DMV, can I just open my laptop to show my web page to the clerk who will then verify my citizenship and issue me a legal passport? I'm sorry but some documents need a paper trail."

* "To be president you need to be a 'natural born citizen,'" said another. "That means you are born in this country of 'parents that are citizens.' Note that both 'parent' and 'citizen' are plural. His father was a British subject and, yes, under the laws of both the United States and the UK at the time [when] he was born, Obama's citizenship was passed by descent of the father. These are the facts. We have laws and no one is above them."

* "There seems to be a great deal of secrecy surrounding this whole situation," said another. "I've read that he has three legal teams keeping his info private. He has also had all his college records sealed. So this is transparency and change? Why all the mystery?"

Additional controversy over where Obama was born came when the woman the president says is his paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, claimed to have been present at her grandson's birth in Mombasa, Kenya.

Joseph Farah, WND editor and chief executive officer, launched a national billboard campaign last month in an effort to keep the issue before the American people. The billboards, being leased around the country, ask the simple question, "Where's the birth certificate?" Farah is asking the public to support his campaign with donations. So far, more than $75,000 has been collected.

Last week, CBS, the largest provider of outdoor advertising in the country, announced it would refuse requests for space for the campaign. But Farah says CBS' refusal to lease space for the campaign will not hinder it.

"There are plenty of other billboard companies willing and eager to take our money," said Farah. "The only obstacle to this campaign is raising the money necessary to make it truly a national phenomenon."

The billboard campaign followed one launched months earlier to collect the names on an electronic petition demanding accountability and transparency on the issue. So far, that petition has gathered nearly 400,000 names.

The campaign got a boost last week when WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs, why the president wouldn't release his birth certificate. Gibbs' response was covered live on C-SPAN and by Fox News Channel and others – excluding CBS.

It was the first time any member of the press corps has publicly asked a member of the administration a question directly related to Obama's constitutional eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen."

Congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," but no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

Both the petition and the billboard campaign are part of what Farah calls an independent "truth and transparency campaign."

The first sign to be posted under the campaign, a digital, electronic one, is up and online on Highway 165 in Ball, La. In addition, based on the heavy volume of financial donations in the first days of the campaign, WND was able to commit to leasing three more standard billboards – one in Los Angeles, another in Orange County, Calif. and a third in Pennsylvania.

Birth certificate question being raised in Ball, La.

Many have asked why Obama's name is not included in the billboard. Farah said the matter was carefully considered.

"There are several reasons we chose the message: 'Where's the birth certificate?'" he explained. "There is only one birth certificate controversy in this country today – despite the near-total absence of this issue from coverage in the non-WND media. This is a grass-roots issue that resonates around the country, as our own online petition with nearly 400,000 signers suggests. In addition, I like the simplicity of the message. I like the fact that the message will cause some people to ask themselves or others about the meaning of the message. It will stir curiosity. It will create a buzz. I'm assuming when these billboards are springing up all over the country, it might even make some in the news media curious. And there's one more factor that persuaded me this was the way to go.

"Come 2012, campaign laws will pose restrictions on political advertising mentioning the names of presidential candidates. This one clearly doesn't. I would like to see the federal government make the case that this is somehow a political ad," he said. "Imagine the problems we'd have finding billboard space if Obama's image or name was part of the message. CBS is afraid of four innocent words – even though it is a purveyor of highly offensive four-letter words in its entertainment portfolio."

Farah said the campaign was born of frustration with timid elected officials in Washington, corrupt judges around the country and a news media that show a stunning lack of curiosity about the most basic facts of Obama's background – especially how it relates to constitutional eligibility for the highest office in the land.

"As Obama transforms this country from self-governing constitutional republic to one governed by a central ruling elite, the simple fact remains that no controlling legal authority has established that he is indeed a 'natural born citizen' as the Constitution requires," Farah said. "Obama's promises of transparency have become a bad joke as he continues to hide simple, innocuous documents like his birth certificate and his student records."
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Darkening · Jun 9, 2009

Just looked at the wikie for the WND and found this.

In a February 10, 2009, column, Janet Porter further alleged that President Obama was acting as a mole for the Soviet Union. Porter suggested that Obama was raised as an atheist and Communist and was subsequently trained by Soviet agents during the early 1990s.
Porter also suggested that Obama's election as president was the result of a long-term Communist conspiracy.
Porter's only evidence for these allegations was a series of uncorroborated claims made to her by an American computer programmer, who claimed to have spoken to a Russian scientist in 1994 who told him that Obama was a Communist and was being groomed by Russian agents to infiltrate the presidency
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Does it have batboy pictures in it too?

Marso · Jun 9, 2009

Darkening said: ↑

Just looked at the wikie for the WND and found this.

In a February 10, 2009, column, Janet Porter further alleged that President Obama was acting as a mole for the Soviet Union. Porter suggested that Obama was raised as an atheist and Communist and was subsequently trained by Soviet agents during the early 1990s.
Porter also suggested that Obama's election as president was the result of a long-term Communist conspiracy.
Porter's only evidence for these allegations was a series of uncorroborated claims made to her by an American computer programmer, who claimed to have spoken to a Russian scientist in 1994 who told him that Obama was a Communist and was being groomed by Russian agents to infiltrate the presidency
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Does it have batboy pictures in it too?
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It'd be cooler if it did.

Zombie · Jun 9, 2009

Azure · Jun 9, 2009

The messiah should put this crap to an end already.

Uncle Albert · Jun 9, 2009

It's already ended for anyone with even the most tenuous grip on reality. This ship has fucking sailed.

Lanzman · Jun 9, 2009

Really, Marso . . . WorldNet Daily?

Archangel · Jun 9, 2009

I wish someone in the HI Vital records office would just leak the thing so we can be done with it.

[Conspiracy]

HI is a dark blue state, I doubt many would want it out IF he was ineligible.

[/Conspiracy]

Captain J · Jun 9, 2009

The only way to be sure is to autopsy Obama right away.

Tuckerfan · Jun 9, 2009

Archangel said: ↑

I wish someone in the HI Vital records office would just leak the thing so we can be done with it.

[Conspiracy]

HI is a dark blue state, I doubt many would want it out IF he was ineligible.

[/Conspiracy]
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They'd claim it was a fake, no matter what. Bart Sibrel has had Apollo astronauts swear on a Bible that they "really went to the Moon" and got his ass beaten by a 70 year old, and he's still claiming it was all a hoax.

I'm willing to bet that whenever Obama leaves office it won't be because of his citizenship.

snoopdog · Jun 9, 2009

Obama should man up, let everything out in the open then have a press conference then tell all the people to SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Like it not he is the President, all the bullshit is much too late.

My main thing about Obama is the fucker needs to do what he said he would do. I talked to a kid who got back from 2 tours as a marine, one in Iraq and one in Afganistan. he did his 4 years and said fuck it, its not worth it. he lost friends and wont fight the bullshit wars for our dumbfuck politicians any more.

Kyle · Jun 10, 2009

Nothing would please me more than to have Obama call a press conference, walk onstage, motion that he's ready to begin, then have a full, complete, absolutely undeniable (y'know, beyond the one he's already presented, which seems to be perfectly fine for anyone who has passed something other than the "Citizen's Bar" or something) birth certificate display on a giant screen behind him. He then points to it, nods to the audience, and exits stage left.

However, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and basically, I'm smelling a lot of 'if' coming off of the naysayers' claims. The evidence against his citizenship is so incredibly tenuous. And it also presupposes that Obama was either incredibly stupid or that he honestly thought he could pull a fast one over an entire country even when he knew he'd be under the magnifying glass throughout his campaign and presidency. It's a classic Occam's razor - either he's a citizen, or there's this grand conspiracy and miscarriage after miscarriage of justice hiding his lack of citizenship. This, from the candidate that couldn't even keep his crazy friends out of the public eye. The candidate that basically gave his wife carte blanche to say whatever fell out of her head when interviewed?

Come on, politicians can't even keep blowjobs under wraps. The sad thing is that this will likely never, ever die, even if he produced everything their hearts desired.

14thDoctor · Jun 10, 2009

Kyle said: ↑

Nothing would please me more than to have Obama call a press conference, walk onstage, motion that he's ready to begin, then have a full, complete, absolutely undeniable (y'know, beyond the one he's already presented, which seems to be perfectly fine for anyone who has passed something other than the "Citizen's Bar" or something) birth certificate display on a giant screen behind him. He then points to it, nods to the audience, and exits stage left.
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Nah.

The minute he refutes one piece of idiocy, it adds credibility to every other piece of idiocy he doesn't refute.

Archangel · Jun 10, 2009

Thats about the most conveniently conjured piece of BULLSHIT I've heard in ages.

14thDoctor · Jun 10, 2009

What I said, or the thread in general?

Kyle · Jun 11, 2009

14thDoctor said: ↑

The minute he refutes one piece of idiocy, it adds credibility to every other piece of idiocy he doesn't refute.
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I think it'd send a pretty solid message were he to basically bitch-slap them with what is obviously the truth.

Volpone · Jun 11, 2009

snoopdog said: ↑

Obama should man up, let everything out in the open then have a press conference then tell all the people to SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Like it not he is the President, all the bullshit is much too late. ...
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Bah. That'd go over as well as OJ standing up and yelling "SUCKERS! I DID it! I CUT the bitch's head off!" after his acquittal.

At this point Obama can never release the record.

Baba · Jun 12, 2009

Volpone thinks obama is some gay leftist jew.

Marso · Jun 29, 2009

It ain't over yet!!

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102156

BORN IN THE USA?
Judge: Eligibility dispute is 'serious'
Says case will be expedited when representation lined up
Posted: June 26, 2009
12:00 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A judge hearing one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has taken the unusual step of describing the dispute as a serious constitutional issue and further has begun adding letters of comment from the public to the court record.

Word of the action by U.S. Magistrate Judge Joel Schneider in Camden, N.J., comes from attorney Mario Apuzzo, who is handling the Kerchner vs. Obama case.

Apuzzo filed his lawsuit in January on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner Jr., Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The case focuses on the alleged failure in Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."

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The Constitution provides, the lawsuit said, "If the president-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the vice president elect shall act as president until a president shall have qualified."

Get the Whistleblower magazine, called "YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE? Why dozens of lawsuits and millions of Americans want Barack Obama to prove he's constitutionally qualified to be president."

"There existed significant public doubt and grievances from plaintiffs and other concerned Americans regarding Obama's eligibility to be president and defendants had the sworn duty to protect and preserve the Constitution and specifically under the 20th Amendment, Section 3, a Constitutional obligation to confirm whether Obama, once the electors elected him, was qualified," the case explained.

"Congress is the elected representative of the American people and the people speak and act through them," the lawsuit said.

The defendants "violated" the 20th Amendment by failing to assure that Obama meets the eligibility requirements," the lawsuit said.

Apuzzo told WND that while the judge recently granted the government extra time to line up defense counsel for the named defendants, his ruling described the issue as a serious constitutional question.

"Plaintiffs' complaint raises significant issues necessitating that the named defendants engage competent counsel to represent their interests. Given the high ranking positions of the defendants, the decision as to who will represent them in this case is not simple and straightforward," the judge said.

But as soon as attorneys are lined up, "the case will proceed expeditiously," he said.

The case has attracted numerous public comments directed at and delivered to the judge, who has started adding them to the case file, Apuzzo noted.

"It's unbelievable," he said. "The court put the letters on Pacer."

Pacer is a fee-based court website through which interested parties can research cases and their documentation.

"This is really strange," said the attorney, noting that judges typically do not accept or even acknowledge public commentary on cases that are pending before them.

"The point is the letters are there in the docket," he said.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Further, others question his citizenship by virtue of his attendance in Indonesian schools during his childhood and question on what passport did he travel to Pakistan three decades ago.

Adding fuel to the fire is Obama's persistent refusal to release documents that could provide answers and the appointment of myriad lawyers to defend against all requests for his documentation. While his supporters cite an online version of a "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii as his birth verification, critics point out such documents actually were issued for children not born in the state.

The ultimate questions remain unaddressed to date: Is Obama a natural born citizen, and, if so, why hasn't documentation been provided? And, of course, if he is not, what does it mean to the 2008 election or the U.S. Constitution if it is revealed that there has been a violation?

And the answer could take only minutes: authorization from the president to Hawaiian officials to release his documentation.

Apuzzo, on his website, says the issue "is of utmost national importance."

A state official, Hawaiian Health Director Chiyome Fukino, said, "I, and Dr. Alvin Onaka have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." But officials have rejected requests for access, saying Obama would have to authorize any access, and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a foreign birth in Hawaii?

Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born.

While an Obama spokesman one time called the allegations "garbage," the president and his team have withheld other comments. But here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:

* New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.

* Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, (now dismissed) brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.

* Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.

* Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.

* Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.

* Chicago lawyer Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.

* Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.

* In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.

* Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff.

* In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.

* In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.

* California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters. She also has brought forward several other cases and has conducted several public campaigns to generate awareness of the issue.

In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:

* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.

* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.

* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.

* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.

* In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.
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Zombie · Jun 29, 2009

This shit just won't die.....

Dr. Krieg · Jun 29, 2009

Bailey · Jun 29, 2009

Zombie said: ↑

This shit just won't die.....
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It's been death for months, some people just can't resist playing with the corpse.

The Saint · Jun 29, 2009

Does anyone really think anything will actually happen even if it's found that he's not eligible?

Kyle · Jun 29, 2009

So Marso, you're asking me to take a WND article that shares a title with a song by The Boss seriously?

Call me when some drug allegations come up and WND titles their article 'I Want A New Drug,' OK?

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