Challenges to Obama's Presidential Eligibility are Growing...

No absolute ruling has ever made, but questions about the eligibility or lack thereof for Chester A. Arthur, Barry Goldwater, John McCain, and others have always led to the ruling that you can be a natural born citizen without being born in the United States. Barring a final and inclusive ruling from SCOTUS, the fact that courts did not find in favor of those who challenged the eligibility of others has made it clear that if you are born to an American citizen who has resided for a sufficient time in the United States, even if you are not born in the United States itself or even if both parents are not American citizens, then you are indeed a "natural-born citizen."

In any case, unless there is some clear evidence to the contrary, Obama is also a natural-born citizen by reason of being born in Hawaii, which had been a state for two years when he was born and a territory before that. (Goldwater was ruled to be eligible, despite challenges, even though Arizona was still a territory when he was born there.)

I do think Obama has something to hide, and I don't trust his smiling face and his slick "I don't have anything to say but I sure can say it nicely" rhetoric at all, but I have no doubts whatsoever about his legal eligibility to be President. Not that that means I think he is qualified to be President, but I have thought that about a lot of others who have held the office, too...

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I'm sorry, this is incorrect. According to US law at the time of his birth, if Obama was NOT born in the US then he would only have been granted citizenship if one of his parents had been residing in the US for 5 years after the age of 16, and his mother was only 18 when he was born. The law states:

If Obama wasn't born in the US, this argument would be valid. I'm leaning on an 80-85% chance he was born in Hawaii.

Of course he can ignore all that. He shouldn't, nor should anyone else, but oh, yes -- he can and no doubt he will. Thinking about things like that is hard, man. It must be so much easier to just yell, "NUTTERS!" and dismiss the whole thing.

And the link provided to the article doesn't exist. Anyone who believes this crap is too stupid to live. Marso seems intent on being crazier than apostle.

"Hey look over here! Presidential eligibility questions! Forget about more pressing issues, look at the tabloid shiny!"

This is almost as outrageous as the Alaskan Governor joining twitter!

Yeah, yeah I know, apples and oranges right?

Point being we treat our leaders like tabloid celebrities. Justifications abound, some better than others, but let's be honest, there's nothing here.

President Obama will not be unseated because of eligibility concerns.

Now, now. He's a Chicago politician. The Skeleton Closet is the last thing you want to open.

Wait... you're pissed about an article pointing out Obama has claimed to be from another country in the past and now claims to be American isn't from where it claims to be? No outrage about the President not being from where he claims to be, either now or in the past, but you're pissed about the article?

Take that anger, multiply it 100x, and that's how everyone else feels.

Who the fuck is tagging this thread?

Probably the liberals. I don't know any conservatives who see this as being about race.

Keep grasping, folks. This straw isn't getting any longer.

Nice tags.

Or not.

About the naturally born citizen....you HAVE to be born in the US. I was born in Alberta, moved to the US in '96-'99...obtained my citizenship, but I'm not a naturally born US citizen.

I can vote, run for Governor....but I can't run for President.

Why? You wouldn't believe it was real if he did.

There has never been a ruling to that effect. On the contrary, although there has never been a ruling the other way, either, precedent tends very clearly to indicate that "natural born citizen" means "citizen by birth." For example, John McCain (who was not born in the USA, but in a territory controlled by the USA without being legally a part of the country), was allowed to run for president, despite challenges to his eligibility.

Some people claim that it means "born in the USA" but that is not what the Constitution says, nor is it what any law says, nor is it an official interpretation of what the Constitution or other laws do say that has been officially established by a judicial ruling. It therefore is just an opinion, and not one that has a very strong chance of ever being the opinion of SCOTUS.

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I think this is starting to slide past his eligibility. I think he is eligible to hold office but I think he has lied in the past about his origins for various reasons.

Now of course if he committed any crime by claiming he was a foreigner the statue of limitations have long passed but it still looks real bad. It might be bad enough to cost him the 2012 election.

Unfortunately, you can't POSSIBLY be right because there is no law, precedent, or judgment that has ever satisfactorily defined exactly what "natural born citizen" actually means.

If you take "natural born citizen" to mean "a US citizen automatically upon birth", then there are ways to be a "natural born citizen" without actually having been born on US soil. For example, being born abroad to US citizen parents automatically makes one a US citizen upon birth. It could be argued that this would qualify someone as a "natural born citizen".

Not always. At the time of Obama's birth, this was not the case. See my post above.

This shit just refuses to die.

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He could end this....

I don't care for Obama, but I damn sure don't want President Biden!

^ Frankly, I'd rather President Hillary than President Biden.

This reminds me of all those folks wanting Reagan to take a senility test, or clamoring for the Feds to release the sooper seckret documents proving that Hillary personally shot Vince Foster or that Dick Cheney was really the one running the country. It doesn't matter what the level of truth there might be to the accusations, nobody has got a prayer of using them to bring down the President. The "machine" of entrenched power is simply too familiar with these tactics for them to be effective.

You want to bring Obama down? Fine. Have at it, but so long as you go after this issue, you're not going to have any luck. Obama and his people have this angle covered in ways you can't imagine, and any attempt to use his birth certificate is doomed to failure. To bring him down, you've got to find an angle that his people haven't taken into account. Something which, at first, seems innocuous, but quickly widens into a much larger manner.

Remember, it wasn't Whitewater or Vince Foster which made Clinton look bad in the eyes of most Americans. It was a blow job. Vietnam didn't bring Nixon down, Watergate did. Obama's birth certificate is the decoy target, placed out there for you to go after so you'll spend your wad on a fruitless quest, while the real issue which could bring him down goes totally unnoticed. (No, I don't know what it might be, nor do I really care.)

He did.

What makes you think they haven't already thought of and discounted that already?

Just walk away, it's better for your overall sanity.

You "people" need to get lives

Seriously!

Ragging on our President & Leader of the World every chance you get



You guys outdo TBBS's TNZ sometimes in the arena of Obamaphobia

Y'bigots steamed McCain & Unable lost last November

Deal with it babies!

Wow, I never realized there was this much conservative hatred for the great state of Hawai'i!

Word 'round the campfire is......
Obama tore the tag off a mattress. :IMHO!:

The worst part is.....he did it with his teeth. :IMHO!:

Yeah......think about it.

You should probably stick to expressing yourself by the usual "Damar Agrees" to the mindless and sundry replies by your favorite members.

Or at least wait 'till you get talking points memo before typing out a whole reply on a topic.

Well, the state of Hawaii issued a perfectly valid birth certificate, and the loonies are complaining that that's not enough. Damar's diagnosis is spot on. You're a colossally pathetic fuck, no different than a 9/11 truther or one of the morons who thinks we never landed on the moon, if you think there's anything to this at all.

It's really sad that conservative wordforgers don't gang up on the phenomenal stupid exhibited by Marso et al. in this thread. It goes to show how little wordforge is about actual discussion and how much it's about cliques. There is no reason or even excuse--and worse, no entertainment value, even if he's faking it just to annoy liberals on the board--behind Marso's over-the-top nutbar conspiracy theorizing in this thread.

It is pretty fun to watch Liet get worked up into such a lather about this.