Challenges to Obama's Presidential Eligibility are Growing...

That directed to me?

I'm not American, and while I preferred Obama to McCain both had plenty of policies I disagreed with so I wouldn't call myself an Obama supporter by any means.

Your "typical of leftists" comment can seemingly be made for any USA presidential election. In 2004 Democrats were saying that Bush's military history was a sham, while Republicans were saying that Kerrys was a sham. In 2000 if things had gone the other way it would have been the right complaining for 4 years that the election was fixed, and so on back through time.

Probably yes, but only the Michael Moore-fringe.

If I were having an SBI done for a gov't clearance, the Feds would be insisting on a notarized copy with ALL the original information on it, not just the Cliff's Notes version Obama presented.

Again, the copy provided by Obama is notarized and is a valid legal document. He hasn't provided further documentation because there is no legal obligation to do so.

Also, speaking as a 'lefty,' I couldn't give a shit about McCain's 'original' birth certificate. He's clearly eligable to run for President, just as Obama is.

Again, who cares about this conspiracy shit.

As the most important public figure in the United States, and probably the whole world, everything about Obama and his past should be made available to the public.

Including ALL his birth certificates.

Prior to 1972, blacks didn't get actual birth certificates in Hawaii. Thank you all so very much for calling attention to the racial persecution the Obama (praise His name) has had to endure throughout his life. Racists like you all should be ashamed of your racey racism.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/63631/the-colbert-report-bill-posey-alligator-rumors?c=0

Wow.

The left doesn't want to see it.

The man either lied to get money for college or he was actually claiming he was a foreigner.

The man and his campaign have fought tooth and nail everywhere to prevent any of his records from being released.

And now he has a Supreme Court that is taking up looking into his birth certificate.

But again the left doesn't want to see the storm that's coming.

Holy fuck. Is this still going on?
Okay, run it all you want, but you guys run a black guy or woman next time, you better believe there will be this same shit going down by the opposition, and by fuck if you'll be able to bitch about it. I'm serious. Fucking ridiculous.

J.

Well, assuming this isn't all a load of crap, what would happen if a case is built, and held up in court that there is a problem with Obama's eligibility to be President?

Outside of ripping apart the country.

Impeachment? Who would become President? Biden?

I THOUGHT it was fucking ridiculous too, but if any of that stuff is true, it should be investigated by the Supreme Court.

That is what happens when the media doesn't dig up crap on BOTH candidates.

Biden would have to become President.

Would save himself quite a bit of money since he wouldn't have to use Amtrak to get home.

Oh and it would rip the country up.

I think we would have riots.

You would have a LOT of riots.

Be pretty crazy to see something like that happen.

But, that is all on Obama's head if there indeed something to all of this.

Blame Obama and his people. Plus the media.

They are the ones who block every attempt to release any records of his past. They are the ones to continue to refuse to release the original birth certificate even though Hawaii says it has one on file.

They blocked everyone including Democrats who ran against him in the primary.

They wouldn't hesitate to dig up records against anyone else but they are hell bent on protecting his records.

The media stood by and did nothing but support Obama.

Exactly! Now, I like Joe Biden, but I like him where he is, not as President. To me it makes as much sense as the "Impeach Bush" nonsense. You impeach Bush you get Cheney. Is that what you really want? Of course not. This is just silly to me, and it's frustrating to see it go on. We've never done this to any other President. Now, I'm not going to say Marso's racist, because he's not. He's an upstanding, reasonable fellow, but I have no doubt the people behind this whole issue are. Why are we doing this now? Obama's black, or at least half black, point being his skin is black, and that's apparently enough for some to question his citizenship, and it's down right shameful.

J.

I'd like nothing more than for him to show the official paper certificate to the media. But would it really silence people? Or would they say it's a fake. Face it, while there are reasonable people who are simply curious, there's a number of people who will never believe it's his.

J.

For the love of God don't play the racist card. As much as I wanted to believe all of this is a bunch of crap, there is a REASON Obama won't release his original birth certificate. All this stuff is progressing further and further, and picking up more and more people because Obama isn't doing what he SHOULD be doing to stop it.

Unless of course he can't.

Why would he spend so much money to block access to his records if there is nothing to hide? Surely, you agree that the most important public figure in the world should have to show stuff like his original birth certificate to the public.

It would satisfy me. And probably both Marso and Zombie.

You can't do anything about the blowhards who believe in a conspiracy no matter what, but you do want to satisfy the reasonable people.

The longer he withholds his birth certificate, more and more reasonable people will start wondering whats going on.

Do you want THAT to happen?

We've never had another President who fights tooth and nail to keep his past sealed up.

We've never had another President who released a "electronic copy" of his birth certificate instead of the original.

We've never had a President in recent time whose father was not American.

It's not racism to ask for proof that he is eligible to hold office. It's not racism to wonder why he keeps fighting to prevent any past records from being released.

And now as we see it is becoming harder and harder for him to cover up things. There are school records indicating he claimed he was a foreigner so he could get money. That puts even more pressure on him to release the original birth certificate.

You want to get mad? Get mad at Obama.

John, I like you real well, and I have made it clear many times that I think these questions about Obama's citizenship are stupid, but you just can't pull the race card here. Even though I consider it grasping at straws, the "straw" isn't the color of his skin, but the circumstances of his birth. If his parents were both American blacks, no one would be questioning his citizenship.

Outrage all you want, since this is silly, but don't try to make it a race question. That worn-out excuse has been used and re-used and over-used so much by Obama apologists that it is getting downright ridiculous. The problem we have with Obama has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It has to do with his policies. Why is that so hard to understand?

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I only involve race where I think it's being manipulated, pro or con. All I essentially stated was that while Marso and people like him have their reasons, there are others who are only doing this because Obama's black. I don't like it when black people only vote for someone because they're black, so it goes both ways.

Honestly, I believe there's a legitimate reason. I'd like to see him just get it all over with, and I don't know why he's not, but I do believe there's a legitimate reason behind it all. He's been vetted, the Democratic Party organizers, I guarantee you, went over his particulars with a fine tooth comb.

J.

It only proves he lied to get money for college. And if he didn't, what's he going to do but say he did, and then give Occidental a nice big donation?

I wouldn't give a shit if he lied to get funding for college.

But, I do give a shit about his original birth certificate. I'm American too, and did vote in the '08 election. Stuff like that should be made public.

You're probably right that he lied to get the money but he is doing himself no favors here.

People are questioning his birth certificate and now they have evidence that shows he claimed he was a foreigner.

But his stonewalling of the records is causing havoc. He is adding fuel to the fire by fighting this.

It would be a much easier thing for the country to deal with him being a liar and essentially a thief when he was in college then it would be for the country to deal with him not being a person eligible to hold office.

Of course by refusing to release his birth certificate he is keeping everyone in limbo and allowing speculation to run rampant.

And that kind of shady stuff is probably why he doesn't want records from his past revealed. Conspiracy buffs notwithstanding, it is pretty much impossible for him not to be an American citizen by birth, since there is no controversy at all about his mother being an American citizen and past disputes of this type (John's comments about no one ever facing this kind of question notwithstanding, it has come up before, even concerning presidential eligibility) have made it clear that if you are an American citizen by reason of your birth to at least one American citizen, then you fit the Constitutional definition even if you weren't born in America. To me, that ends the debate.

That said, there is obviously a reason he has gone to such lengths to prevent legal documents about his past from being made public. He has something to hide. (Like most people, to be honest.) But my guess is that it's shady dealings where he tried to "have his cake and eat it, too" by sometimes claiming to be American, sometimes claiming to be something else, and other such shenanigans. Or something else; with all his shady associations, there might be other skeletons in his closet. But I highly doubt that not being an American citizen is one of them.

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Why can I only find references to "Barry Soetero" on assorted nutjob sites along with appelations like "The First Nigger," and why does the article quoted above claim to be from the Associated Press when it very clearly is not?

Then you get folks in the middle like me, who are pretty sure he's a citizen, but would like to see the goddamn proof. Why is it unreasonable to ask the President of the US to prove he's a citizen? I shouldn't HAVE to take his word.

'Are you a doctor?'

'Of course!'

'Do you have a medical school diploma?'

'Don't you trust me? I'm a doctor!'

Async, I'm not going to flat out say you're wrong here because I'm not sure, but I thought the Constitutional definition of 'Natural Born Citizen' meant that you had to be born in the United States. Again, I'm not 100% on that.

As to the whole issue, I cannot conceive the circumstances in which Obama would be removed from office, and folks are right when they say it would tear this country apart. Because it doesn't matter which side you take, you are going to automatically assume the other side is deliberately lying/cheating/racist/ or whatever. Just like there are people who will NEVER believe that Obama could be ineligible, this has gone on the point now where we have people who will NEVER believe he IS eligible.

I'm with CaptainChewbacca on this one: I'm not all hot under the collar to see Obama booted out of the White House, but I don't understand why it's so goddamn difficult to pony up a birth certificate. I had to provide certified copies of mine to be eligible for a commission in the United States Navy. Barack Obama is President of the United States. I don't think it's too much to ask to have Hawaii cough up a certified copy of his.

If they do that, I personally would consider the matter closed once and for all.

I just wish he would provide his birth certificate sooner than later.