The Omnibus P01135809 Criminal Investigation Thread

MSNBC has footage of Roger Stone BEFORE the election was called discussing the option of fake electors. If this can be tied to advice given to Trump, then it undercuts a key argument:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/roger-stone-election-plot-footage_n_64dd8a74e4b0ee8ece70844a

The woman suing Rudy for sexual harassment and other stuff filed this in the case:



https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fb...cumentId=ayMPHcCh5eCKqo1g4gB42A==&system=prod

Indictments are not enough. There will not be justice unless Donald Trump is in prison for the rest of his life for high treason.

There will not be justice.

I don’t accept your premise. You can arrest your political enemies any way you want when you have a cult like audience and a media that doesn’t ask any hard questions and a corrupt DOJ.

Your premise is so full of shit it's no longer even funny.

Here's the proof: If American politicians could indeed lock up their political enemies at will, please explain why Donald J. Trump did not have Hillary Clinton charged while he was in office for four years. I mean, wasn't "lock her up" one the key MAGA slogans?

After he drained the swamp this was no longer possible.

Purported names, photos of Georgia grand jurors shared online

Time to start prosecuting these nutjobs with extreme prejudice.

(Waits for @Steal Your Face to show up and argue that they're just exercising their First Amendment rights.)

For one, Trump isn’t a fascist so he can only do what’s within the law to do. Second, you had corrupt Comey say that he couldn’t prove intent with Clinton. Lastly, Trump didn’t have the media on his side, they’ve been against him ever since he came down the escalator in 2015.

Why do I think I'm going to regret this...

Right. So that exact same argument applies to the current administration. They can only do what's within the law to do.

The President of the United States has the authority to remove the FBI Director from office and, in fact, Trump did so twice.

FOX News, Newsmax, Breitbart, the Blaze, the Washington Times, Joe Rogan and Sean Hannity disagree!

A. Among other hallmarks of any reasonable definition of "fascist" that Trump has demonstrated, Trump literally has said that he would only accept the results of both his 2016 and 2020 elections only if he won and acted accordingly, he has claimed while president that he had far greater authority than the law actually allows, he has demonized various populations....

B. If Hilary indeed broke the law, or even plausibly could have been argued to have broken the law, prosecuting her would be "within the law." Unless you are admitting that Hillary did not break the law and so prosecuting her knowing that would be illegal.

C. Indeed, Comey is correct that there was no evidence of Clinton's intent to break the law. I think it's fairly safe to say that most lawyers, conservative or not, would also agree. Which goes to show that your premise that "you can arrest your political enemies any way you want" is false. Fortunately in this country, we still have a rule of law, and the state cannot trample over people's rights.

D. If Comey and/or Comey's cronies were problems, Trump as president could have replaced them with non-corrupt/non-incompetent prosecutors, had his AG appoint an independent counsel, or taken any number of steps to prosecute Clinton.

E. While I appreciate the implicit concession to reality that Trump indeed has a "cult like audience" in his corner, and accepting for argument's sake that the media doesn't ask any hard questions of Biden but would of Trump, why would that matter? Although the media could attempt to put Trump in a bad light for prosecuting Clinton, it could not materially affect any such prosecution.

A Texas woman was arrested and has been charged with threatening to kill the federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former President Donald Trump in Washington and a member of Congress.

Abigail Jo Shry of Alvin, Texas, called the federal courthouse in Washington and left the threatening message — using a racist term for U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan — on Aug. 5, court records show. Investigators traced her phone number and she later admitted to making the threatening call, according to a criminal complaint.

In the call, Shry told the judge, who is overseeing the election conspiracy case against Trump, "You are in our sights, we want to kill you," the documents said.

Prosecutors allege Shry also said, "If Trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you," and she threatened to kill U.S. congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, a Texas Democrat now running for mayor of Houston, according to court documents.

A judge earlier this week ordered Shry jailed. Court records show Shry is represented by the Houston public defender's office, which did not immediately return a message seeking comment on Wednesday.

Trump has publicly assailed Chutkan, a former assistant public defender who was nominated to the bench by president Barack Obama, before she has even made any substantial rulings pertaining to the case. Trump has called her "highly partisan" and " VERY BIASED & UNFAIR!" because of her past comments in a separate case overseeing the sentencing of one of the defendants charged in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

Chutkan in a hearing last week warned Trump's lawyers that his defence should be mounted in the courtroom and "not on the internet."

Meanwhile, multiple U.S. outlets have reported in recent days that users of a fringe website known for extreme rhetoric are posting addresses and phone numbers online after Trump was indicted late Monday in Georgia over 2020 election interference. Per Georgia law, grand juror names are included on the indictment, and some of the unnamed website's users are trying to dox those individuals by searching address information that match the juror names.

"Grand jurors are regular Americans doing their civic duty," Democratic congressman Ted Lieu posted online in response to the reports. "Sick that Trump supporters are targeting grand jurors." Lieu called on House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and other high-profile Republicans to condemn the practice.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-indictments-threats-1.6938971

Mafia tactics.

Here's your next Noble Prize Winner.

Tell me the name "Abigail Jo" doesn't just scream trailer trash.

It is beyond me how anyone with an IQ higher than that of the average canary can say anything like this with a straight face. I see only two possibilities:

1) You are simply trolling. (IOW, you don't have a straight face when you post such things.)
2) You are so far out of touch with reality that there is little relationship between the world as you see it and the world as it actually is.

Either way, it is obviously not worthwhile to attempt to discuss the issue with you.

Trump's track record speaks otherwise. Among other demonstrations of his total incapacity to serve as president, he himself is the first to say that most of those he appointed to important positions were not qualified, and turned out to be corrupt, incompetent, and/or just downright stupid. (And this is the guy, unable by his own admission to surround himself with people of quality, that at least 30% of Americans still want to see as president...)

Key word being "could," rather than "would." Not to diss either Jeff Sessions or Bill Barr too much, but in the hypothetical world where the only thing stopping Trump from locking Hilary up was that his DOJ sucked, he should and could get a better DOJ.

And yes, it is amazing that Trump supporters don't either conclude that at least one of two things has to be true (I suppose both could be true);
1. The legion of former Trump employees who have said that Trump is in various ways unfit for office are telling the truth, broadly, about why they believe him to be unfit
2. Trump is telling the truth when he says the former employees who criticized him actually sucked and always sucked, and he shouldn't have hired them in the first place.

If 1 is true, Trump doesn't deserve support to be president because he's an idiot incapable of discerning policy and a criminal.
If 2 is true, Trump doesn't deserve support because he has shown himself on so many occasions to hire inept subordinates and put them in high positions of power.

This from the guy who routinely says that words like "fascist" and "racist" are thrown around far too frequently and have little meaning left to them

Amazing, you can't make this stuff up

Fascism is the merger of state and corporate power, using the media to censor people. That’s what we saw the Biden administration do on multiple occasions. We know this because a federal judge in Louisiana put an injunction on them. Therefore it’s fair to call them fascists. It’s also fair to call Biden a racist because Joe Biden is responsible for the crime bill that disproportionately affected black people and kept them incarcerated at a higher rate than any other demographic. He also worked alongside Robert Byrd for years. The Democratic Party also is the party of slavery and Jim Crowe. It was also Democratic governors who stood in the way of desegregation, a Democrat president who showed The Birth of a Nation at the White House. A Democrat president who said and I quote, “I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years.” It was Joe Biden that said, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” Democrats just like to sweep all of that under the rug and want everyone to forget and the media enables them, but I think it’s fair to call them racists. I don’t do so lightly and without evidence like some people here do.

Trump, MyPillow, Fox.
Next.

You must be so fucking proud of yourself.

"But I was just quoting a democrat!"

Get fucked, you Nazi Pedophile Sandwich Artist.

The question as to whether Trump is an actual fascist is an open one IMHO. He certainly has some of the traits and opportunistically courts people on the far right. But he really isn't principled or consistent enough.

I've heard him described by a left-wing commentator as representing the dregs of the lumpen-proletariat elevated to the top of the bourgeoisie. And I think there's some truth in that.

Fortunately, he's had millions of people like yourself polishing his knob ever since.

It isn't principles and consistency; he's incompetent.

Uh huh.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/03/trump-doj-investigate-hillary-clinton-244505

Trump ratchets up call for DOJ to investigate Hillary Clinton

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/politics/president-trump-justice-department.html

Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...ealize-hillary-clinton-isn-t-running-n1243882

Soon after, the president held a rally in Georgia, where he called for the incarceration of his political opponents, including his rival from four years ago.

"Lock them up. You should lock them up. Lock up the Bidens. Lock up Hillary."

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...ands-prosecutions-his-political-foes-n1242613

Lobbying Barr, Trump demands prosecutions of his political foes
Behind in the polls, Trump wants his attorney general to prosecute his enemies. Under normal circumstances, this would be a presidency-defining moment.

It's almost as though actual prosecutors generally don't bring bullshit cases at the whims of the politicians in office and actually wait till evidence suffices to convince them and a grand jury that there is a case. :confused:

Normally, I might defer to someone who had a swastika in his av for a definition of what constitutes fascism...but nah.

On a sadder note, Trump supporters are doxxing Georgia grand jurors.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...gia-trump-indictment-posted-online-rcna100239

http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3493471/

Of course FF is going to defend Trump.

He's a fellow trust-funder.